Not a riot
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 02:52 last edited by
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 03:21 last edited by
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 04:22 last edited by
We take it in turns, to act as a sort of outrage officer for the day...
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My $0.02 about all of it—which everyone is free to criticize of course: the protests are primarily about BLM, which I think isn't even close to factual. Systemic racism is a problem coming from the odd dumbshit, not "the police," "the system," "white people" or whatever.
Gladwell's "Talking to Strangers" is about the best diagnosis of the problem I've come across. You've got some communities where the police are either in an impossible position, or where the town council is more impressed by drug and gun roundups than they are lower crime stats. So there's a lot of strung-out, overworked, underfunded police forces employing Kansas City-style "look beyond the ticket" enforcement. Which is a great way to destroy relations with the local community. Meanwhile, when that same community actually needs the police, they're nowhere to be found, because again, they're overworked and underfunded.
Oh and those poor communities are almost always minority communities, because poor white communities have an equally shitty but different dynamic. (But I think that's a whole other thing.)
Black guy gets 8 tickets for sitting in his car, but when his cousin is shot, no police in sight. And the nicer, whiter communities seldom have these stories. On the surface, how in the hell can you not call that systemic racism? It isn't, but I can certainly understand the conclusion. And then sure, yeah, you have cops who say "well you know, all the guys who ever shot at me were black, so..." They might not be wrong but again, wrong conclusion to draw. I think it's poverty and income inequality. There's no sociological phenomenon that has a higher correlation than income inequality and violent crime. None. It's a thing. And not only has no one ever solved it, the Pareto distribution continues to skew more extreme.
I may be wrong about all of it. But I refuse to believe poor, inner city communities are not having a bad time of it, whatever the reason. So yeah, they've got some shit to protest about. And a ton of them are trying to be lawful about it.
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My $0.02 about all of it—which everyone is free to criticize of course: the protests are primarily about BLM, which I think isn't even close to factual. Systemic racism is a problem coming from the odd dumbshit, not "the police," "the system," "white people" or whatever.
Gladwell's "Talking to Strangers" is about the best diagnosis of the problem I've come across. You've got some communities where the police are either in an impossible position, or where the town council is more impressed by drug and gun roundups than they are lower crime stats. So there's a lot of strung-out, overworked, underfunded police forces employing Kansas City-style "look beyond the ticket" enforcement. Which is a great way to destroy relations with the local community. Meanwhile, when that same community actually needs the police, they're nowhere to be found, because again, they're overworked and underfunded.
Oh and those poor communities are almost always minority communities, because poor white communities have an equally shitty but different dynamic. (But I think that's a whole other thing.)
Black guy gets 8 tickets for sitting in his car, but when his cousin is shot, no police in sight. And the nicer, whiter communities seldom have these stories. On the surface, how in the hell can you not call that systemic racism? It isn't, but I can certainly understand the conclusion. And then sure, yeah, you have cops who say "well you know, all the guys who ever shot at me were black, so..." They might not be wrong but again, wrong conclusion to draw. I think it's poverty and income inequality. There's no sociological phenomenon that has a higher correlation than income inequality and violent crime. None. It's a thing. And not only has no one ever solved it, the Pareto distribution continues to skew more extreme.
I may be wrong about all of it. But I refuse to believe poor, inner city communities are not having a bad time of it, whatever the reason. So yeah, they've got some shit to protest about. And a ton of them are trying to be lawful about it.
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 04:50 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
My $0.02 about all of it—which everyone is free to criticize of course: the protests are primarily about BLM, which I think isn't even close to factual. Systemic racism is a problem coming from the odd dumbshit, not "the police," "the system," "white people" or whatever.
Gladwell's "Talking to Strangers" is about the best diagnosis of the problem I've come across. You've got some communities where the police are either in an impossible position, or where the town council is more impressed by drug and gun roundups than they are lower crime stats. So there's a lot of strung-out, overworked, underfunded police forces employing Kansas City-style "look beyond the ticket" enforcement. Which is a great way to destroy relations with the local community. Meanwhile, when that same community actually needs the police, they're nowhere to be found, because again, they're overworked and underfunded.
Oh and those poor communities are almost always minority communities, because poor white communities have an equally shitty but different dynamic. (But I think that's a whole other thing.)
Black guy gets 8 tickets for sitting in his car, but when his cousin is shot, no police in sight. And the nicer, whiter communities seldom have these stories. On the surface, how in the hell can you not call that systemic racism? It isn't, but I can certainly understand the conclusion. And then sure, yeah, you have cops who say "well you know, all the guys who ever shot at me were black, so..." They might not be wrong but again, wrong conclusion to draw. I think it's poverty and income inequality. There's no sociological phenomenon that has a higher correlation than income inequality and violent crime. None. It's a thing. And not only has no one ever solved it, the Pareto distribution continues to skew more extreme.
I may be wrong about all of it. But I refuse to believe poor, inner city communities are not having a bad time of it, whatever the reason. So yeah, they've got some shit to protest about. And a ton of them are trying to be lawful about it.
I nominate this Post of the Day. I concur. Thanks AL.
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Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 15:49 last edited by@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math. -
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 15:56 last edited by@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
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@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 16:01 last edited by@Horace said in Not a riot:
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
You're the dishonest one here because your proposed method assumes that the generation of police worthy action is color neutral. I expect you to be smarter than that.
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 16:02 last edited by
The next step would then be to try to generate numbers about whether police action is neutral. it becomes very difficult. But do go ahead and keep trolling. We're all impressed, as usual.
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@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 16:31 last edited by@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.I don't like to judge based on skin color.
But since you brought it up, what is the skin color for people who commit crimes?
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@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 16:51 last edited by@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.You're the one who can't do the math. Blacks account for 13% of the population, but account for 55% of the violent crime. 97% of the violent crimes they commit are against other blacks. More whites are killed by police than blacks, even though while whites account for (according to your own figures, which are wrong) 7 times the number of people, only account for 40% of the violent crimes. Trying to draw conclusions from per capita data doesn't tell anyone a damned thing.
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 16:59 last edited by
Except for one little detail... they dont.
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@Horace said in Not a riot:
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
You're the dishonest one here because your proposed method assumes that the generation of police worthy action is color neutral. I expect you to be smarter than that.
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 17:11 last edited by@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Horace said in Not a riot:
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
You're the dishonest one here because your proposed method assumes that the generation of police worthy action is color neutral. I expect you to be smarter than that.
There's always the theory that police are more likely to ignore white crime, say. But that theory falls apart when you look at murders, since they can't really be ignored (what with the dead body and all). The differential rates of murder between blacks and every other ethnic group are of a piece with the differential rates in other violent crime statistics.
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 17:37 last edited by
@Larry said in Not a riot:
Except for one little detail... they dont.
My reply was in support of your post, btw.
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@Horace said in Not a riot:
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
You're the dishonest one here because your proposed method assumes that the generation of police worthy action is color neutral. I expect you to be smarter than that.
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 20:36 last edited by Jolly 6 Apr 2020, 20:36@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Horace said in Not a riot:
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
You're the dishonest one here because your proposed method assumes that the generation of police worthy action is color neutral. I expect you to be smarter than that.
I used to go through the gates of Angola about twice a month. Blacks constitute 33% of Louisiana's population, but they make up 76% of the prison's population.
The majority will die there.
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@Larry said in Not a riot:
Except for one little detail... they dont.
My reply was in support of your post, btw.
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 22:47 last edited by@89th said in Not a riot:
@Larry said in Not a riot:
Except for one little detail... they dont.
My reply was in support of your post, btw.
Thanks. I can never figure out what you're trying to say.
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wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 00:52 last edited by
@89th made perfect sense to me.
Another distinction worth considering is how many police officers are killed by African American males vs Caucasian, Hispanic, Asian, etc...
I’m not projecting, I don’t know the answer, but could it be that officers feel more at risk by African Americans and do the numbers support that concern?
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wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 00:58 last edited by
You're not supposed to look at that stuff. That's racist.
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wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 02:03 last edited by
@Mik that’s my biggest frustration with this whole topic. You have to be so sensitive when discussing.
I’m completely open to the possibility that I’m wrong and having my mind changed. But you can’t even question certain axioms.
I had a hilarious convo with a coworker yesterday where we slowly confirmed for a few mins that the other wasn’t overly-woke. Then had a decent convo after.
