Not a riot
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@Aqua-Letifer in reference to your longer recent reply, thanks...good analysis.
I joke a little that protestors are lemmings seeking catharsis. I think, to your point, some of these communities with a very deep and embedded fractured relationship with police are so blinded by frustration that it’s tough to see an event as “police with excessive force” instead “white man with power hurting black man”.
Similarly, I have so many friends who are vocal right now about this and donating money to black charities, and posting black photos on Instagram in support, that I think they’re blinded by their white guilt and wanting “to do something”. Whereas I’m white, I’m against racial injustice (isn’t everyone?) so I have no need to suddenly “declare!” it.
At the end of the day I’m stubbornly pragmatic about the purpose of a protest. Was Floyd killed because he was black? Probably not. So, not a racist event. Are white peoples killed by police all the time? Yes. Why no outcry? Should justice be served here? Yes, and it has been. So what exactly is the protest about...change? What will change? Nothing.
As @Horace points out. There will always be a black person killed by police. There will always be riots. There will always be bad cops, as well as bad protestors. The sooner we can somehow, as a society, stop looking at things in race terms, the sooner we can minimize this annual outcry.
There will always be these events. There will always be mass shootings. There will always be terrorism. Maybe the common denominator lately is incessant cable news hyping it up and a infinity-scroll of social media posts about it.
No way to wrap up my point here. The perfect ending doesn’t exi-
Similarly, I have so many friends who are vocal right now about this and donating money to black charities, and posting black photos on Instagram in support, that I think they’re blinded by their white guilt and wanting “to do something”. Whereas I’m white, I’m against racial injustice (isn’t everyone?) so I have no need to suddenly “declare!” it.
Yeah. And there are plenty from the black community of course who are all too eager to tell us how wrong we're doing it, whatever "it" is.
I've adopted a "live like it's 1989" kind of model. Not only were the music and movies far better, but I also ask myself, if social media didn't exist (and therefore I had no persona to defend), what would I do? Donate to black charities and then, unprompted, call up everyone I knew to tell them I did to imply I'm a good guy? That's so narcissistic it's silly. So I try not to let social media be any reason for what I decide to do, and treat the platform as a water cooler conversation with one or two co-workers.
Please love yourself.
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Similarly, I have so many friends who are vocal right now about this and donating money to black charities, and posting black photos on Instagram in support, that I think they’re blinded by their white guilt and wanting “to do something”. Whereas I’m white, I’m against racial injustice (isn’t everyone?) so I have no need to suddenly “declare!” it.
Yeah. And there are plenty from the black community of course who are all too eager to tell us how wrong we're doing it, whatever "it" is.
I've adopted a "live like it's 1989" kind of model. Not only were the music and movies far better, but I also ask myself, if social media didn't exist (and therefore I had no persona to defend), what would I do? Donate to black charities and then, unprompted, call up everyone I knew to tell them I did to imply I'm a good guy? That's so narcissistic it's silly. So I try not to let social media be any reason for what I decide to do, and treat the platform as a water cooler conversation with one or two co-workers.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
I've adopted a "live like it's 1989" kind of model. Not only were the music and movies far better, but I also ask myself, if social media didn't exist (and therefore I had no persona to defend), what would I do? Donate to black charities and then, unprompted, call up everyone I knew to tell them I did to imply I'm a good guy?
Haha holy shit I will not forget this (in a good way). What a perfect way to describe it.
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Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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We take it in turns, to act as a sort of outrage officer for the day...
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My $0.02 about all of it—which everyone is free to criticize of course: the protests are primarily about BLM, which I think isn't even close to factual. Systemic racism is a problem coming from the odd dumbshit, not "the police," "the system," "white people" or whatever.
Gladwell's "Talking to Strangers" is about the best diagnosis of the problem I've come across. You've got some communities where the police are either in an impossible position, or where the town council is more impressed by drug and gun roundups than they are lower crime stats. So there's a lot of strung-out, overworked, underfunded police forces employing Kansas City-style "look beyond the ticket" enforcement. Which is a great way to destroy relations with the local community. Meanwhile, when that same community actually needs the police, they're nowhere to be found, because again, they're overworked and underfunded.
Oh and those poor communities are almost always minority communities, because poor white communities have an equally shitty but different dynamic. (But I think that's a whole other thing.)
Black guy gets 8 tickets for sitting in his car, but when his cousin is shot, no police in sight. And the nicer, whiter communities seldom have these stories. On the surface, how in the hell can you not call that systemic racism? It isn't, but I can certainly understand the conclusion. And then sure, yeah, you have cops who say "well you know, all the guys who ever shot at me were black, so..." They might not be wrong but again, wrong conclusion to draw. I think it's poverty and income inequality. There's no sociological phenomenon that has a higher correlation than income inequality and violent crime. None. It's a thing. And not only has no one ever solved it, the Pareto distribution continues to skew more extreme.
I may be wrong about all of it. But I refuse to believe poor, inner city communities are not having a bad time of it, whatever the reason. So yeah, they've got some shit to protest about. And a ton of them are trying to be lawful about it.
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My $0.02 about all of it—which everyone is free to criticize of course: the protests are primarily about BLM, which I think isn't even close to factual. Systemic racism is a problem coming from the odd dumbshit, not "the police," "the system," "white people" or whatever.
Gladwell's "Talking to Strangers" is about the best diagnosis of the problem I've come across. You've got some communities where the police are either in an impossible position, or where the town council is more impressed by drug and gun roundups than they are lower crime stats. So there's a lot of strung-out, overworked, underfunded police forces employing Kansas City-style "look beyond the ticket" enforcement. Which is a great way to destroy relations with the local community. Meanwhile, when that same community actually needs the police, they're nowhere to be found, because again, they're overworked and underfunded.
Oh and those poor communities are almost always minority communities, because poor white communities have an equally shitty but different dynamic. (But I think that's a whole other thing.)
Black guy gets 8 tickets for sitting in his car, but when his cousin is shot, no police in sight. And the nicer, whiter communities seldom have these stories. On the surface, how in the hell can you not call that systemic racism? It isn't, but I can certainly understand the conclusion. And then sure, yeah, you have cops who say "well you know, all the guys who ever shot at me were black, so..." They might not be wrong but again, wrong conclusion to draw. I think it's poverty and income inequality. There's no sociological phenomenon that has a higher correlation than income inequality and violent crime. None. It's a thing. And not only has no one ever solved it, the Pareto distribution continues to skew more extreme.
I may be wrong about all of it. But I refuse to believe poor, inner city communities are not having a bad time of it, whatever the reason. So yeah, they've got some shit to protest about. And a ton of them are trying to be lawful about it.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
My $0.02 about all of it—which everyone is free to criticize of course: the protests are primarily about BLM, which I think isn't even close to factual. Systemic racism is a problem coming from the odd dumbshit, not "the police," "the system," "white people" or whatever.
Gladwell's "Talking to Strangers" is about the best diagnosis of the problem I've come across. You've got some communities where the police are either in an impossible position, or where the town council is more impressed by drug and gun roundups than they are lower crime stats. So there's a lot of strung-out, overworked, underfunded police forces employing Kansas City-style "look beyond the ticket" enforcement. Which is a great way to destroy relations with the local community. Meanwhile, when that same community actually needs the police, they're nowhere to be found, because again, they're overworked and underfunded.
Oh and those poor communities are almost always minority communities, because poor white communities have an equally shitty but different dynamic. (But I think that's a whole other thing.)
Black guy gets 8 tickets for sitting in his car, but when his cousin is shot, no police in sight. And the nicer, whiter communities seldom have these stories. On the surface, how in the hell can you not call that systemic racism? It isn't, but I can certainly understand the conclusion. And then sure, yeah, you have cops who say "well you know, all the guys who ever shot at me were black, so..." They might not be wrong but again, wrong conclusion to draw. I think it's poverty and income inequality. There's no sociological phenomenon that has a higher correlation than income inequality and violent crime. None. It's a thing. And not only has no one ever solved it, the Pareto distribution continues to skew more extreme.
I may be wrong about all of it. But I refuse to believe poor, inner city communities are not having a bad time of it, whatever the reason. So yeah, they've got some shit to protest about. And a ton of them are trying to be lawful about it.
I nominate this Post of the Day. I concur. Thanks AL.
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Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math. -
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
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@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
@Horace said in Not a riot:
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
You're the dishonest one here because your proposed method assumes that the generation of police worthy action is color neutral. I expect you to be smarter than that.
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@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.I don't like to judge based on skin color.
But since you brought it up, what is the skin color for people who commit crimes?
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@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.You're the one who can't do the math. Blacks account for 13% of the population, but account for 55% of the violent crime. 97% of the violent crimes they commit are against other blacks. More whites are killed by police than blacks, even though while whites account for (according to your own figures, which are wrong) 7 times the number of people, only account for 40% of the violent crimes. Trying to draw conclusions from per capita data doesn't tell anyone a damned thing.
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@Horace said in Not a riot:
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
You're the dishonest one here because your proposed method assumes that the generation of police worthy action is color neutral. I expect you to be smarter than that.
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Horace said in Not a riot:
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
You're the dishonest one here because your proposed method assumes that the generation of police worthy action is color neutral. I expect you to be smarter than that.
There's always the theory that police are more likely to ignore white crime, say. But that theory falls apart when you look at murders, since they can't really be ignored (what with the dead body and all). The differential rates of murder between blacks and every other ethnic group are of a piece with the differential rates in other violent crime statistics.
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@Horace said in Not a riot:
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
You're the dishonest one here because your proposed method assumes that the generation of police worthy action is color neutral. I expect you to be smarter than that.
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Horace said in Not a riot:
@Axtremus said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Weren't there twice as many whites as blacks killed by police last year?
Do not cracker lives matter?
Help! I'm being oppressed!
Whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks are over 3x more likely to be killed by police.
You can complain about being oppressed when the whites are more likely to be killed by police than blacks on a per capita basis.
Until then, bitching about it just shows that you’re a whiny little snowflake who is bad at math.No, you're being dishonest, because I think you're smarter than that, Ax. The folk who were "good at math" would want to normalize not to the number of people but to the amount of police worthy action generated by the people.
You're the dishonest one here because your proposed method assumes that the generation of police worthy action is color neutral. I expect you to be smarter than that.
I used to go through the gates of Angola about twice a month. Blacks constitute 33% of Louisiana's population, but they make up 76% of the prison's population.
The majority will die there.
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@Larry said in Not a riot:
Except for one little detail... they dont.
My reply was in support of your post, btw.
@89th said in Not a riot:
@Larry said in Not a riot:
Except for one little detail... they dont.
My reply was in support of your post, btw.
Thanks. I can never figure out what you're trying to say.
