Not a riot
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Amazingly, most of the protesters and the police in cities across the country are trying to keep things peaceful. But there seems to be a lot of talk about violent protesters here on TNCR and a blind eye turned toward violent cops. Only reason I post shit like this. It's definitely not the norm.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 02:10 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
Amazingly, most of the protesters and the police in cities across the country are trying to keep things peaceful. But there seems to be a lot of talk about violent protesters here on TNCR and a blind eye turned toward violent cops. Only reason I post shit like this. It's definitely not the norm.
First you've got to stop attributing things said about anarchist types to protesters. Second, you've got to stop thinking of all the protesters as nice, innocent people. Many are. But many aren't. Third, I've not seen anyone attempt to gloss over the fact that there have been a few bad cops. There's going to be a few good among the bad, and a few bad among the good.
That said, you try risking your life by putting on a police uniform and walking out into a mob of violent things armed with bricks and firebombs, getting spit on, slapped, things thrown at you, with a city mayor tying your hands behind your back, and let's see how long it is before YOU react in the wrong way.
The innocent and nice people who simply want to march in a protest need to go home and get out of the way. There is no protest any longer. People are even beginning to forget the guy's name. Their protest has been ruined. Whatever point they wanted to make has been made as good as it can be made. So they need to go home, get out of the way, so the police can do their job.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 02:13 last edited by
The way our pop culture thinks of cops these days I imagine will be looked back on at some point with the same disdain we have for the folk who spit on vietnam vets.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 04:01 last edited by
By a Vietnam Vet on another board....
I've told this story before, but it never gets old.
Riding on a big green ARMY bus, on the way from the separation station in Oakland where we'd just been discharged from the army, to the San Francisco airport. Up ahead on the freeway a bunch of anti-war protestors were in wait, and when they saw the bus jumped out onto the freeway to stop traffic. When the driver, a civilian, got the bus stopped he opened the two doors and yelled "Go get 'em boys!!" Unfortunately we never caught even one of them, they scrambled up the embankment and over the chain link fence before we could get to them, and we were running hard.
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@Jolly said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
They are, actually. And they've a great program, which is a big part of why they seldom make the news. We've far better than average police officers here.
You're too old, though. And you're unqualified.
I am too old. But I don't need a job. Besides, I've already had bullets coming through the windows of my workplace. I've been attacked with a knife in the hallway.
Time for you to have a little excitement. Would be great background for a book...
I'm good. Burnout's a big problem in the profession and it's not my thing anyway.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 04:22 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
They are, actually. And they've a great program, which is a big part of why they seldom make the news. We've far better than average police officers here.
You're too old, though. And you're unqualified.
I am too old. But I don't need a job. Besides, I've already had bullets coming through the windows of my workplace. I've been attacked with a knife in the hallway.
Time for you to have a little excitement. Would be great background for a book...
I'm good. Burnout's a big problem in the profession and it's not my thing anyway.
My son is city PD. Graveyard for 4 years straight. "south" side of town. He got burned out long ago. Still plugging away though. Must be the jarhead in him. He does have a young family to support. He runs when he's off. For miles. He'll be 35 in two days and that means he will take off, early on his birthday morning, and run 35 miles that day. His shift and area will change one day, but he doesn't fight it. He accepts what they assigned and hasn't gotten into trouble yet in his four short years. But he is withdrawn. He has dealt with too much too often and has just basically given up hope for mankind. But I'm so dammed proud of him.
But anyways, the reason for the reply is to ponder the possibilities of "drone" cops that are utilized when needed. Robocops! Is it the future? -
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 04:46 last edited by
Graveyards will mess with your head, or at least they do that for me. Maybe he needs to start looking around a bit...With his veteran's points, he might get on with the Feds. Some interesting LE jobs there.
My wife's first cousin was U.S. Marshal of the Year, a few years back. He runs a fugitive apprehension team. For the most part, he enjoys his job.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 15:09 last edited by
It’s not a riot! It’s a shopping spree.
Big discounts on Dodge Charger Hellcats, everybody! https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-muscle-cars-stolen-george-floyd-riots-san-leandro-california/
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 15:20 last edited by
Speaking of "Not a riot" someone counted the way words are used on the MSM news (can't find the reference now)
MSNBC:
"Protest" - 52
"Riot" - 0NBC:
"Protest" - 41
"Riot" - 0FOX:
"Protest" - 21
"Riot" - 23Draw your own conclusions.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
They are, actually. And they've a great program, which is a big part of why they seldom make the news. We've far better than average police officers here.
You're too old, though. And you're unqualified.
I am too old. But I don't need a job. Besides, I've already had bullets coming through the windows of my workplace. I've been attacked with a knife in the hallway.
Time for you to have a little excitement. Would be great background for a book...
I'm good. Burnout's a big problem in the profession and it's not my thing anyway.
My son is city PD. Graveyard for 4 years straight. "south" side of town. He got burned out long ago. Still plugging away though. Must be the jarhead in him. He does have a young family to support. He runs when he's off. For miles. He'll be 35 in two days and that means he will take off, early on his birthday morning, and run 35 miles that day. His shift and area will change one day, but he doesn't fight it. He accepts what they assigned and hasn't gotten into trouble yet in his four short years. But he is withdrawn. He has dealt with too much too often and has just basically given up hope for mankind. But I'm so dammed proud of him.
But anyways, the reason for the reply is to ponder the possibilities of "drone" cops that are utilized when needed. Robocops! Is it the future?wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 15:21 last edited by@nobodyssock said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
They are, actually. And they've a great program, which is a big part of why they seldom make the news. We've far better than average police officers here.
You're too old, though. And you're unqualified.
I am too old. But I don't need a job. Besides, I've already had bullets coming through the windows of my workplace. I've been attacked with a knife in the hallway.
Time for you to have a little excitement. Would be great background for a book...
I'm good. Burnout's a big problem in the profession and it's not my thing anyway.
My son is city PD. Graveyard for 4 years straight. "south" side of town. He got burned out long ago. Still plugging away though. Must be the jarhead in him. He does have a young family to support. He runs when he's off. For miles. He'll be 35 in two days and that means he will take off, early on his birthday morning, and run 35 miles that day. His shift and area will change one day, but he doesn't fight it. He accepts what they assigned and hasn't gotten into trouble yet in his four short years. But he is withdrawn. He has dealt with too much too often and has just basically given up hope for mankind. But I'm so dammed proud of him.
I used to run like that. Well, sort of; 35 miles is metal as fuck. I did 11-13 a day, every day, no breaks. Also skipped a lot of rope and did kettles.
You do 35 miles a day, you're either a total mileage junkie (and I know a few like that) or you've got something else going on. Good on your son. It's an impossibly difficult job at the best of times.
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Speaking of "Not a riot" someone counted the way words are used on the MSM news (can't find the reference now)
MSNBC:
"Protest" - 52
"Riot" - 0NBC:
"Protest" - 41
"Riot" - 0FOX:
"Protest" - 21
"Riot" - 23Draw your own conclusions.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 15:22 last edited by@George-K said in Not a riot:
Speaking of "Not a riot" someone counted the way words are used on the MSM news (can't find the reference now)
MSNBC:
"Protest" - 52
"Riot" - 0NBC:
"Protest" - 41
"Riot" - 0FOX:
"Protest" - 21
"Riot" - 23Draw your own conclusions.
Why are you trying to categorize it as either/or? You do know that the crowds at night are very different from the daytime, right?
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 15:41 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Mar 2020, 15:41
It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.
Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 15:48 last edited by
Informative in the sense that it confirms predictions any reasonable person would make about the relative usage of the two words in left- vs right-leaning news sources.
I suspect people's inner dialogues are shifting right, even if left-leaning news sources aren't.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:05 last edited by
My inner dialogues aren't shifting anywhere of the sort, although I must admit I hear the word 'Canada' a lot more than I used to.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:06 last edited by Mik 6 Mar 2020, 16:14
I don't know. There are marches being organized out here in the burbs, in a heavily GOP county. Now whether that is solidarity or trying to prevent it from coming here I do not know.
My take on it is the demonstrations are running out of steam. At least they are here.
Now we see if it had any positive effect.
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I don't know. There are marches being organized out here in the burbs, in a heavily GOP county. Now whether that is solidarity or trying to prevent it from coming here I do not know.
My take on it is the demonstrations are running out of steam. At least they are here.
Now we see if it had any positive effect.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:11 last edited by@Mik said in Not a riot:
Now we see if it had any positive effect.
No we don't. We have no reasonable measures to judge by.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:14 last edited by
Copper, how did you hijack Horace's ID?
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:14 last edited by
“Number of viral videos of cops killing black people” is the one that matters in practice.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:15 last edited by
I think it needs to be expanded to deaths in police custody period.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:16 last edited by
@Mik said in Not a riot:
Copper, how did you hijack Horace's ID?
I think Copper makes some very good points when he posts stuff like that.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:16 last edited by
Yeah, that would be the reasonable metric. But ask anyone protesting whether that number for blacks has been rising or falling, and I bet you’ll get an answer worse than chance.
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“Number of viral videos of cops killing black people” is the one that matters in practice.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:17 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:
“Number of viral videos of cops killing black people” is the one that matters in practice.
Yes which makes the pool of data overwhelmed by random noise and of little significance to what it is supposedly correlated with.