Spot the threat to free speech
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We’ve created social platforms that are a perfect host for outside influences to polarize our society. Much of twitter and Facebook is not Americans expressing their right to free speech but meddling and manipulating. The evidence for this in bots is quite clear.
Second the right to free speech as a person is not the right of anonymous entity to spew polarizing garbage to millions of people. I don’t think the Constitution provides protection for that.
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@Loki To be serious I'm dead-dog certain there have been court cases on whether you lose your right to free speech if publishing anonymously and there's no way the courts would have ever allowed that. I think if you reflected on it for a while you wouldn't be for it either.
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Free speech means free speech. In my way of seeing that, it's none of the courts' business.
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Right - but there's a more basic issue at play here first.
Twitter is more akin to a bar.
The barkeep reigns supreme in the bar and can tell you to GTFO whenever they want. That's not a first amendment issue.
Do we want government to regulate social media as a first step?
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@Larry said in Spot the threat to free speech:
Free speech means free speech. In my way of seeing that, it's none of the courts' business.
Well, the courts only get involved when the government tries to limit it. So, if you believe in free speech the courts are your friend.
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Right - but there's a more basic issue at play here first.
Twitter is more akin to a bar.
The barkeep reigns supreme in the bar and can tell you to GTFO whenever they want. That's not a first amendment issue.
Do we want government to regulate social media as a first step?
@xenon said in Spot the threat to free speech:
Right - but there's a more basic issue at play here first.
Twitter is more akin to a bar.
The barkeep reigns supreme in the bar and can tell you to GTFO whenever they want. That's not a first amendment issue.
Do we want government to regulate social media as a first step?
The bar analogy doesn't work for me because of the size and reach of Twitter.
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We’ve created social platforms that are a perfect host for outside influences to polarize our society. Much of twitter and Facebook is not Americans expressing their right to free speech but meddling and manipulating. The evidence for this in bots is quite clear.
Second the right to free speech as a person is not the right of anonymous entity to spew polarizing garbage to millions of people. I don’t think the Constitution provides protection for that.
@Loki said in Spot the threat to free speech:
We’ve created social platforms that are a perfect host for outside influences to polarize our society. Much of twitter and Facebook is not Americans expressing their right to free speech but meddling and manipulating. The evidence for this in bots is quite clear.
And the thing being exploited here is each individual's eagerness to pounce when the other tribe is seen to be crazy or stupid or evil. The best way to immunize ourselves against those trolls is to stop being so eager to do that.
Education is extremely important.
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@Loki To be serious I'm dead-dog certain there have been court cases on whether you lose your right to free speech if publishing anonymously and there's no way the courts would have ever allowed that. I think if you reflected on it for a while you wouldn't be for it either.
@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:
@Loki To be serious I'm dead-dog certain there have been court cases on whether you lose your right to free speech if publishing anonymously and there's no way the courts would have ever allowed that. I think if you reflected on it for a while you wouldn't be for it either.
Well it’s not the anonymous person that I was thinking about in general but does that North Korean operative in Pyongyang have the right to free speech on Twitter and Facebook?
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@Loki said in Spot the threat to free speech:
We’ve created social platforms that are a perfect host for outside influences to polarize our society. Much of twitter and Facebook is not Americans expressing their right to free speech but meddling and manipulating. The evidence for this in bots is quite clear.
And the thing being exploited here is each individual's eagerness to pounce when the other tribe is seen to be crazy or stupid or evil. The best way to immunize ourselves against those trolls is to stop being so eager to do that.
@Horace said in Spot the threat to free speech:
@Loki said in Spot the threat to free speech:
We’ve created social platforms that are a perfect host for outside influences to polarize our society. Much of twitter and Facebook is not Americans expressing their right to free speech but meddling and manipulating. The evidence for this in bots is quite clear.
And the thing being exploited here is each individual's eagerness to pounce when the other tribe is seen to be crazy or stupid or evil. The best way to immunize ourselves against those trolls is to stop being so eager to do that.
Let’s assume for a second that certain other countries have a vested interest in polarizing our country, which ones are targeting liberals?
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@Larry said in Spot the threat to free speech:
Free speech means free speech. In my way of seeing that, it's none of the courts' business.
But there are limits to free speech. I will admit that I am not a constitution expert, but I do know that "free speech" is not 100% free.
I cannot yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater.
If untrue, I cannot posting everywhere that my neighbor is a sex molestor.(I guess I could, but there would be consequences.)
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For the record I think Twitter was idiotic for doing this, best case it will achieve the opposite of what they hoped. That’s the best case.
@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:
For the record I think Twitter was idiotic for doing this, best case it will achieve the opposite of what they hoped. That’s the best case.
True, but this situation should never have happened. There are so so so many things going on in the world that President Trump should be focusing on.
Spending his time and energy posting tweets on the death of someone 19 years ago that (as far as I know) has been shown to be a natural death, seems to be a gigantic waste of time, energy, and he should be spending his time more productively.
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@Loki said in Spot the threat to free speech:
We’ve created social platforms that are a perfect host for outside influences to polarize our society. Much of twitter and Facebook is not Americans expressing their right to free speech but meddling and manipulating. The evidence for this in bots is quite clear.
And the thing being exploited here is each individual's eagerness to pounce when the other tribe is seen to be crazy or stupid or evil. The best way to immunize ourselves against those trolls is to stop being so eager to do that.
@Horace said in Spot the threat to free speech:
@Loki said in Spot the threat to free speech:
We’ve created social platforms that are a perfect host for outside influences to polarize our society. Much of twitter and Facebook is not Americans expressing their right to free speech but meddling and manipulating. The evidence for this in bots is quite clear.
And the thing being exploited here is each individual's eagerness to pounce when the other tribe is seen to be crazy or stupid or evil. The best way to immunize ourselves against those trolls is to stop being so eager to do that.
There it is, right there. It only works if we let it and accept the characterization of the other side as devils.
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@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:
For the record I think Twitter was idiotic for doing this, best case it will achieve the opposite of what they hoped. That’s the best case.
True, but this situation should never have happened. There are so so so many things going on in the world that President Trump should be focusing on.
Spending his time and energy posting tweets on the death of someone 19 years ago that (as far as I know) has been shown to be a natural death, seems to be a gigantic waste of time, energy, and he should be spending his time more productively.
@taiwan_girl said in Spot the threat to free speech:
@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:
For the record I think Twitter was idiotic for doing this, best case it will achieve the opposite of what they hoped. That’s the best case.
True, but this situation should never have happened. There are so so so many things going on in the world that President Trump should be focusing on.
Spending his time and energy posting tweets on the death of someone 19 years ago that (as far as I know) has been shown to be a natural death, seems to be a gigantic waste of time, energy, and he should be spending his time more productively.
Back when he tweeted that he was being spied on, his detractors were busy saying what you just said. When it was proven to be true that he was being spied on and he had been correct all along, crickets. It's been the same every time - Trump tweets something, his detractors jump on him over it, then later on the reason he did it becomes clear and his detractors move on to some other reason he's no good.
"Spend his time more productively"....... lol you must not know about all the things he's accomplished..
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@xenon said in Spot the threat to free speech:
So much intellectual scaffolding has to be built around this man’s statements.
Any guesses what those "big actions" are? Is that just an empty threat? Would could he actually do? I mean, he is the POTUS after all, so presumably there's something he could do.
