RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates
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@89th said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
I would be curious on what the alternative would be. Overall I think they've worked fine and (compared to other media, such as ads, interviews, political speeches, social media...) they seem to provide a pretty professional and neutral stage for presidential debates. Almost like they're the tip of the iceberg during the election rancor that is above the ocean of mud slinging.
My issue with them is the high threshold to participate. I remember vividly in September 2016 the libertarian candidate (Gary Johnson) had 8.6% national but the debates require a 15% polling average. The problem is to get to 15% you almost need a 3rd party to have the national platform of a debate to jump to the next level! They should reduce the threshold to 10% or even 5%.
Two alternatives.
- Lincoln - Douglas style. Give each candidate 20 or 30 minutes, uninterrupted. Then 30-40 minutes of no-holds-barred, free-wheeling questioning done by the candidates themselves.
- Trio. Let each candidate pick a questioner for his opponent and have one guy keep the time and enforce any rules, of which there should be very few.
@jolly said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@89th said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
I would be curious on what the alternative would be. Overall I think they've worked fine and (compared to other media, such as ads, interviews, political speeches, social media...) they seem to provide a pretty professional and neutral stage for presidential debates. Almost like they're the tip of the iceberg during the election rancor that is above the ocean of mud slinging.
My issue with them is the high threshold to participate. I remember vividly in September 2016 the libertarian candidate (Gary Johnson) had 8.6% national but the debates require a 15% polling average. The problem is to get to 15% you almost need a 3rd party to have the national platform of a debate to jump to the next level! They should reduce the threshold to 10% or even 5%.
Two alternatives.
- Lincoln - Douglas style. Give each candidate 20 or 30 minutes, uninterrupted. Then 30-40 minutes of no-holds-barred, free-wheeling questioning done by the candidates themselves.
- Trio. Let each candidate pick a questioner for his opponent and have one guy keep the time and enforce any rules, of which there should be very few.
All seems entertaining to me. Let's do it!
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I think for us, it’s that the Commission had no interest in working with the Republican Party, which represents 74 million voters. And what they’ve done is they’ve set up a system where we’ll only work with the nominee. But by the time the nominee’s in place, which is after the convention in 2024, the debates are all set. So they have total control and a total monopoly. And there were three things that were really egregious in 2020. They picked a moderator that worked for Joe Biden. They started debates after a million votes had been cast. We asked them to start debates before early voting starts. And I think the third is they had members of their commission that were vocally disparaging the Republican candidate and allowed to stay in their role. And so this has been a cushy job for decades. They have a total monopoly. And we said can you just guarantee us that you won’t pick a moderator that worked for the Democrat candidate? They won’t even say yes to that. And I think…By the way, would the Democrats say Kayleigh McEnany can host a debate for any Democrat? I mean, you shouldn’t have an employee of one of the candidates, a former employee, host the debate. It’s just not fair. These are really simple asks that we had, Hugh. I think most Americans would say yeah, debates should start before early voting. You shouldn’t have a moderator that worked for the other candidate. Yes, the commission that’s supposed to be non-partisan shouldn’t have members disparaging either candidate. Very across the board…
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/04/it-is-time-to-break-up-the-presidential-debate-monopoly/
Last year, the RNC’s McDaniel sent a letter to the CPD outlining several changes it wanted the commission to make. They included adopting term limits for its board, making its meetings more transparent, and prohibiting board members from making public comments about any candidates (six of its ten board members have publicly criticized Trump). She also called for disqualifying debate moderators “who have apparent conflicts of interest due to personal, professional, or partisan factors.”
Perhaps the most relevant request for voters was a request that at least one debate should take place before the start of early voting. In 2020, more than half the states had begun early voting before Biden and Trump met for their first debate. Overseas and military voting had already begun in all 50 states.
Commission co-chairman Frank Fahrenkopf told the Washington Post earlier this year that negotiations with the RNC had broken down because it “wanted to control things we aren’t prepared to let them control.”
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Please love yourself.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/04/it-is-time-to-break-up-the-presidential-debate-monopoly/
Last year, the RNC’s McDaniel sent a letter to the CPD outlining several changes it wanted the commission to make. They included adopting term limits for its board, making its meetings more transparent, and prohibiting board members from making public comments about any candidates (six of its ten board members have publicly criticized Trump). She also called for disqualifying debate moderators “who have apparent conflicts of interest due to personal, professional, or partisan factors.”
Perhaps the most relevant request for voters was a request that at least one debate should take place before the start of early voting. In 2020, more than half the states had begun early voting before Biden and Trump met for their first debate. Overseas and military voting had already begun in all 50 states.
Commission co-chairman Frank Fahrenkopf told the Washington Post earlier this year that negotiations with the RNC had broken down because it “wanted to control things we aren’t prepared to let them control.”
@George-K said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
She also called for disqualifying debate moderators “who have apparent conflicts of interest due to personal, professional, or partisan factors.”
Is there a debate moderator acceptable to the democrats who does not have "apparent conflicts of interest due to personal, professional, or partisan factors.”?
Doubtful
Screw 'em.
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Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Though they’re one of the few opportunities candidates have to change the momentum of the race.
In the very short term, this is good news for Biden if he runs again.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Though they’re one of the few opportunities candidates have to change the momentum of the race.
In the very short term, this is good news for Biden if he runs again.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Though they’re one of the few opportunities candidates have to change the momentum of the race.
In the very short term, this is good news for Biden if he runs again.
@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Though they’re one of the few opportunities candidates have to change the momentum of the race.
The new process, whatever it is, will not just be "old process - debates." Other things will change as a result of this.
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@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Though they’re one of the few opportunities candidates have to change the momentum of the race.
The new process, whatever it is, will not just be "old process - debates." Other things will change as a result of this.
@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
The new process, whatever it is, will not just be "old process - debates." Other things will change as a result of this.
Maybe Elon will run around tweeting debate challenges to Presidential candidates.
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Joe Rogan will invite both candidates to have a four hour discussion.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
-Cormac McCarthy -
Funny I used to read his podcast titles as they came out. I would recognize maybe 1 in 20 guest names since I don’t follow stand-up comedy or MMA. But I listened to many of the guests I recognized.
But now he’s behind a paywall
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Funny I used to read his podcast titles as they came out. I would recognize maybe 1 in 20 guest names since I don’t follow stand-up comedy or MMA. But I listened to many of the guests I recognized.
But now he’s behind a paywall
@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
But now he’s behind a paywall
From now on all my TNCR comments will be behind a paywall. I'm not giving it away anymore like Aqua's Sister.
Venmo or Zelle.
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@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Joe Rogan will invite both candidates to have a four hour discussion.
Sadly I think this is the direction we are heading over the next decade or two. I actually would pay good money too... but I feel like we are heading towards Idiocracy...
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@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Joe Rogan will invite both candidates to have a four hour discussion.
Sadly I think this is the direction we are heading over the next decade or two. I actually would pay good money too... but I feel like we are heading towards Idiocracy...
@89th said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Joe Rogan will invite both candidates to have a four hour discussion.
Sadly I think this is the direction we are heading over the next decade or two. I actually would pay good money too... but I feel like we are heading towards Idiocracy...
What is sad about the idea of a long form discussions with politicians, a la Joe Rogan?
Education is extremely important.
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@89th said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Joe Rogan will invite both candidates to have a four hour discussion.
Sadly I think this is the direction we are heading over the next decade or two. I actually would pay good money too... but I feel like we are heading towards Idiocracy...
What is sad about the idea of a long form discussions with politicians, a la Joe Rogan?
@Horace said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@89th said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Joe Rogan will invite both candidates to have a four hour discussion.
Sadly I think this is the direction we are heading over the next decade or two. I actually would pay good money too... but I feel like we are heading towards Idiocracy...
What is sad about the idea of a long form discussions with politicians, a la Joe Rogan?
The only difference is one of new vs establishment media. Debates should be on NBC and not a podcast because they always have been.
