RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates
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@doctor-phibes said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
I really hope the Republican candidates can continue to provide the decorum they have in the past.
Remember when they started making jokes about the size of each other's knobs in the primaries? A particular high point for me.I agree. It was unseemly and beyond silly.
But, my point stands - Candidate Biden, you claim to be better suited. Prove it.
wrote on 14 Jan 2022, 15:12 last edited by Doctor Phibes@george-k said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
But, my point stands - Candidate Biden, you claim to be better suited. Prove it.
Despite what many still appear to believe, he got elected.
I've been told that there are followers, and there are leaders. Also, there are losers. Big, fat, orange losers who cry like little girls who've had there dolly taken away. I know, I know, I'm being needlessly offensive.
TBH, I think we need better candidates, not better moderators.
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@george-k said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
But, my point stands - Candidate Biden, you claim to be better suited. Prove it.
Despite what many still appear to believe, he got elected.
I've been told that there are followers, and there are leaders. Also, there are losers. Big, fat, orange losers who cry like little girls who've had there dolly taken away. I know, I know, I'm being needlessly offensive.
TBH, I think we need better candidates, not better moderators.
wrote on 14 Jan 2022, 15:32 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@george-k said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
But, my point stands - Candidate Biden, you claim to be better suited. Prove it.
Despite what many still appear to believe, he got elected.
I've been told that there are followers, and there are leaders. Also, there are losers. Big, fat, orange losers who cry like little girls who've had there dolly taken away. I know, I know, I'm being needlessly offensive.
TBH, I think we need better candidates, not better moderators.
And...who might win again in 2024. What would you call him then?
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I would be curious on what the alternative would be. Overall I think they've worked fine and (compared to other media, such as ads, interviews, political speeches, social media...) they seem to provide a pretty professional and neutral stage for presidential debates. Almost like they're the tip of the iceberg during the election rancor that is above the ocean of mud slinging.
My issue with them is the high threshold to participate. I remember vividly in September 2016 the libertarian candidate (Gary Johnson) had 8.6% national but the debates require a 15% polling average. The problem is to get to 15% you almost need a 3rd party to have the national platform of a debate to jump to the next level! They should reduce the threshold to 10% or even 5%.
wrote on 14 Jan 2022, 15:35 last edited by@89th said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
I would be curious on what the alternative would be. Overall I think they've worked fine and (compared to other media, such as ads, interviews, political speeches, social media...) they seem to provide a pretty professional and neutral stage for presidential debates. Almost like they're the tip of the iceberg during the election rancor that is above the ocean of mud slinging.
My issue with them is the high threshold to participate. I remember vividly in September 2016 the libertarian candidate (Gary Johnson) had 8.6% national but the debates require a 15% polling average. The problem is to get to 15% you almost need a 3rd party to have the national platform of a debate to jump to the next level! They should reduce the threshold to 10% or even 5%.
Two alternatives.
- Lincoln - Douglas style. Give each candidate 20 or 30 minutes, uninterrupted. Then 30-40 minutes of no-holds-barred, free-wheeling questioning done by the candidates themselves.
- Trio. Let each candidate pick a questioner for his opponent and have one guy keep the time and enforce any rules, of which there should be very few.
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@doctor-phibes said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@george-k said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
But, my point stands - Candidate Biden, you claim to be better suited. Prove it.
Despite what many still appear to believe, he got elected.
I've been told that there are followers, and there are leaders. Also, there are losers. Big, fat, orange losers who cry like little girls who've had there dolly taken away. I know, I know, I'm being needlessly offensive.
TBH, I think we need better candidates, not better moderators.
And...who might win again in 2024. What would you call him then?
wrote on 14 Jan 2022, 15:36 last edited by@jolly said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@doctor-phibes said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@george-k said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
But, my point stands - Candidate Biden, you claim to be better suited. Prove it.
Despite what many still appear to believe, he got elected.
I've been told that there are followers, and there are leaders. Also, there are losers. Big, fat, orange losers who cry like little girls who've had there dolly taken away. I know, I know, I'm being needlessly offensive.
TBH, I think we need better candidates, not better moderators.
And...who might win again in 2024. What would you call him then?
Rest assured, I will afford him all due respect.
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wrote on 14 Jan 2022, 16:03 last edited by
Mr. Trump's occasional concession to popular vulgarity does not eliminate the need for civil discourse.
In fact it probably strengthens it.
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@89th said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
I would be curious on what the alternative would be. Overall I think they've worked fine and (compared to other media, such as ads, interviews, political speeches, social media...) they seem to provide a pretty professional and neutral stage for presidential debates. Almost like they're the tip of the iceberg during the election rancor that is above the ocean of mud slinging.
My issue with them is the high threshold to participate. I remember vividly in September 2016 the libertarian candidate (Gary Johnson) had 8.6% national but the debates require a 15% polling average. The problem is to get to 15% you almost need a 3rd party to have the national platform of a debate to jump to the next level! They should reduce the threshold to 10% or even 5%.
Two alternatives.
- Lincoln - Douglas style. Give each candidate 20 or 30 minutes, uninterrupted. Then 30-40 minutes of no-holds-barred, free-wheeling questioning done by the candidates themselves.
- Trio. Let each candidate pick a questioner for his opponent and have one guy keep the time and enforce any rules, of which there should be very few.
wrote on 14 Jan 2022, 16:10 last edited by@jolly said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@89th said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
I would be curious on what the alternative would be. Overall I think they've worked fine and (compared to other media, such as ads, interviews, political speeches, social media...) they seem to provide a pretty professional and neutral stage for presidential debates. Almost like they're the tip of the iceberg during the election rancor that is above the ocean of mud slinging.
My issue with them is the high threshold to participate. I remember vividly in September 2016 the libertarian candidate (Gary Johnson) had 8.6% national but the debates require a 15% polling average. The problem is to get to 15% you almost need a 3rd party to have the national platform of a debate to jump to the next level! They should reduce the threshold to 10% or even 5%.
Two alternatives.
- Lincoln - Douglas style. Give each candidate 20 or 30 minutes, uninterrupted. Then 30-40 minutes of no-holds-barred, free-wheeling questioning done by the candidates themselves.
- Trio. Let each candidate pick a questioner for his opponent and have one guy keep the time and enforce any rules, of which there should be very few.
All seems entertaining to me. Let's do it!
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wrote on 16 Jan 2022, 12:52 last edited by
I think for us, it’s that the Commission had no interest in working with the Republican Party, which represents 74 million voters. And what they’ve done is they’ve set up a system where we’ll only work with the nominee. But by the time the nominee’s in place, which is after the convention in 2024, the debates are all set. So they have total control and a total monopoly. And there were three things that were really egregious in 2020. They picked a moderator that worked for Joe Biden. They started debates after a million votes had been cast. We asked them to start debates before early voting starts. And I think the third is they had members of their commission that were vocally disparaging the Republican candidate and allowed to stay in their role. And so this has been a cushy job for decades. They have a total monopoly. And we said can you just guarantee us that you won’t pick a moderator that worked for the Democrat candidate? They won’t even say yes to that. And I think…By the way, would the Democrats say Kayleigh McEnany can host a debate for any Democrat? I mean, you shouldn’t have an employee of one of the candidates, a former employee, host the debate. It’s just not fair. These are really simple asks that we had, Hugh. I think most Americans would say yeah, debates should start before early voting. You shouldn’t have a moderator that worked for the other candidate. Yes, the commission that’s supposed to be non-partisan shouldn’t have members disparaging either candidate. Very across the board…
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wrote on 16 Jan 2022, 13:02 last edited by
What radical demands!
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wrote on 18 Apr 2022, 23:15 last edited by
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/04/it-is-time-to-break-up-the-presidential-debate-monopoly/
Last year, the RNC’s McDaniel sent a letter to the CPD outlining several changes it wanted the commission to make. They included adopting term limits for its board, making its meetings more transparent, and prohibiting board members from making public comments about any candidates (six of its ten board members have publicly criticized Trump). She also called for disqualifying debate moderators “who have apparent conflicts of interest due to personal, professional, or partisan factors.”
Perhaps the most relevant request for voters was a request that at least one debate should take place before the start of early voting. In 2020, more than half the states had begun early voting before Biden and Trump met for their first debate. Overseas and military voting had already begun in all 50 states.
Commission co-chairman Frank Fahrenkopf told the Washington Post earlier this year that negotiations with the RNC had broken down because it “wanted to control things we aren’t prepared to let them control.”
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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wrote on 18 Apr 2022, 23:49 last edited by
Screw 'em.
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wrote on 19 Apr 2022, 22:05 last edited by
Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Please love yourself.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/04/it-is-time-to-break-up-the-presidential-debate-monopoly/
Last year, the RNC’s McDaniel sent a letter to the CPD outlining several changes it wanted the commission to make. They included adopting term limits for its board, making its meetings more transparent, and prohibiting board members from making public comments about any candidates (six of its ten board members have publicly criticized Trump). She also called for disqualifying debate moderators “who have apparent conflicts of interest due to personal, professional, or partisan factors.”
Perhaps the most relevant request for voters was a request that at least one debate should take place before the start of early voting. In 2020, more than half the states had begun early voting before Biden and Trump met for their first debate. Overseas and military voting had already begun in all 50 states.
Commission co-chairman Frank Fahrenkopf told the Washington Post earlier this year that negotiations with the RNC had broken down because it “wanted to control things we aren’t prepared to let them control.”
wrote on 19 Apr 2022, 22:55 last edited by@George-K said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
She also called for disqualifying debate moderators “who have apparent conflicts of interest due to personal, professional, or partisan factors.”
Is there a debate moderator acceptable to the democrats who does not have "apparent conflicts of interest due to personal, professional, or partisan factors.”?
Doubtful
Screw 'em.
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Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
wrote on 20 Apr 2022, 07:35 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Though they’re one of the few opportunities candidates have to change the momentum of the race.
In the very short term, this is good news for Biden if he runs again.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Though they’re one of the few opportunities candidates have to change the momentum of the race.
In the very short term, this is good news for Biden if he runs again.
wrote on 20 Apr 2022, 12:37 last edited by@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
In the very short term, this is good news for Biden if he runs again.
One fewer thing that requires him to leave the basement bunker?
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wrote on 20 Apr 2022, 12:44 last edited by
Yeah, he won't need the Easter Bunny to bail him out.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Though they’re one of the few opportunities candidates have to change the momentum of the race.
In the very short term, this is good news for Biden if he runs again.
wrote on 20 Apr 2022, 13:25 last edited by@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Though they’re one of the few opportunities candidates have to change the momentum of the race.
The new process, whatever it is, will not just be "old process - debates." Other things will change as a result of this.
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@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Good. The "debates" have been a joke for years.
Though they’re one of the few opportunities candidates have to change the momentum of the race.
The new process, whatever it is, will not just be "old process - debates." Other things will change as a result of this.
wrote on 20 Apr 2022, 13:38 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
The new process, whatever it is, will not just be "old process - debates." Other things will change as a result of this.
Maybe Elon will run around tweeting debate challenges to Presidential candidates.
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wrote on 20 Apr 2022, 14:06 last edited by
Joe Rogan will invite both candidates to have a four hour discussion.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
-Cormac McCarthy -
wrote on 20 Apr 2022, 14:26 last edited by
The Bunker Strategy ain't working this time.
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wrote on 20 Apr 2022, 14:32 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in RNC to boycott Debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates:
Joe Rogan will invite both candidates to have a four hour discussion.
I'd pay good money to watch that.
Not a lot of money, but it would be good.
