The White House Warns Us
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@taiwan_girl said in The White House Warns Us:
What exactly is incorrect about the statement from the White House?
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In October, unvaccinated individuals had a 5 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 14 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals, according to data compiled by the CDC. Additionally, unvaccinated individuals had a 10 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 20 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals with a booster.
UNQUOTEIt’s poor and misleading statistical analysis for one. Let’s say that EVERY SINGLE PERSON that is hospitalized is unvaccinated (and we know that’s not true) then .065% of the unvaccinated are hospitalized with COVID.
The way it’s presented makes it seem like 99.9975% of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated and we know that’s simply not true. The real number is likely around 20%. And yes, @Doctor-Phibes that means that 30% of the population represents 80% of the hospitalizations. Obviously vaccination helps. Just not at the levels that we are being led to believe.
I’ notice that they’re are also not pointing out that that 80% or more of the hospitalized are elderly.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 16:44 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The White House Warns Us:
The way it’s presented makes it seem like 99.9975% of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated and we know that’s simply not true. The real number is likely around 20%.
Where does the 20% come from?
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 16:50 last edited by
That's the thing - pretty much any numbers being thrown around now are estimations or WAGs. Omi is too new. We know that vaccination provides a pretty robust defense against serious illness. But that doesn't really help you as an individual or predict your response.
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@lufins-dad said in The White House Warns Us:
The way it’s presented makes it seem like 99.9975% of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated and we know that’s simply not true. The real number is likely around 20%.
Where does the 20% come from?
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 17:01 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
@lufins-dad said in The White House Warns Us:
The way it’s presented makes it seem like 99.9975% of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated and we know that’s simply not true. The real number is likely around 20%.
Where does the 20% come from?
Based on the Delta numbers provided by the UK, Israel, and the 12 or so states that actually tracked it. @Jolly confirmed it himself for his hospital and I have heard similar numbers from others in hospitals.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 17:22 last edited by
So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 17:28 last edited by
Why does South Carolina have such a Huge lead?
The cruise I'm taking in a few weeks departs from SC.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 19:26 last edited by
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So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 19:38 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
I think Manchin has proven the Biden Whitehouse is not overly successful in beating people into submission...
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@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
I think Manchin has proven the Biden Whitehouse is not overly successful in beating people into submission...
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 19:41 last edited by@jolly said in The White House Warns Us:
@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
I think Manchin has proven the Biden Whitehouse is not overly successful in beating people into submission...
"I didn't get vaccinated because Joe Biden said I should, and I don't like him. "
And to think that people bemoan our lack of critical thinking skills.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 19:44 last edited by
So is anyone planning on going after China over this? I mean, the coverup alone is horrific shit.
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@jolly said in The White House Warns Us:
@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
I think Manchin has proven the Biden Whitehouse is not overly successful in beating people into submission...
"I didn't get vaccinated because Joe Biden said I should, and I don't like him. "
And to think that people bemoan our lack of critical thinking skills.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 19:50 last edited by Jolly@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
@jolly said in The White House Warns Us:
@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
I think Manchin has proven the Biden Whitehouse is not overly successful in beating people into submission...
"I didn't get vaccinated because Joe Biden said I should, and I don't like him. "
And to think that people bemoan our lack of critical thinking skills.
Nobody likes being threatened and if you disagree, I'll stomp your ass.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 20:46 last edited by
Mr. Biden really wants you to hate unvaxed.
I wonder, does this include unvaxed white males only or are unvaxed of color females included?
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Mr. Biden really wants you to hate unvaxed.
I wonder, does this include unvaxed white males only or are unvaxed of color females included?
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 20:49 last edited by@copper said in The White House Warns Us:
Mr. Biden really wants you to hate unvaxed.
I wonder, does this include unvaxed white males only or are unvaxed of color females included?
They are definitely not included and to ask the question is a racist dog whistle.
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So is anyone planning on going after China over this? I mean, the coverup alone is horrific shit.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 21:14 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The White House Warns Us:
So is anyone planning on going after China over this? I mean, the coverup alone is horrific shit.
China who?
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So is anyone planning on going after China over this? I mean, the coverup alone is horrific shit.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 21:19 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The White House Warns Us:
So is anyone planning on going after China over this? I mean, the coverup alone is horrific shit.
Will “going after China” make the anti-vaxxers accept the vaccines?
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@lufins-dad said in The White House Warns Us:
So is anyone planning on going after China over this? I mean, the coverup alone is horrific shit.
Will “going after China” make the anti-vaxxers accept the vaccines?
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 21:23 last edited by@axtremus said in The White House Warns Us:
@lufins-dad said in The White House Warns Us:
So is anyone planning on going after China over this? I mean, the coverup alone is horrific shit.
Will “going after China” make the anti-vaxxers accept the vaccines?
Yes.
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BTW I had my very first COVID test today. I've done a bit of business travel the past week and wanted to get checked out before being around family (especially older relatives). Did a drive-thru PCR test at a CVS, should find out in a day or two. No symptoms, just being careful. Oh, no line either... I found it pretty easy to book an appointment via the Minnesota health website.
wrote on 22 Dec 2021, 03:04 last edited by@89th said in The White House Warns Us:
BTW I had my very first COVID test today.
Results: Negativo.
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Why does South Carolina have such a Huge lead?
The cruise I'm taking in a few weeks departs from SC.
wrote on 30 Dec 2021, 20:27 last edited by@copper said in The White House Warns Us:
Why does South Carolina have such a Huge lead?
The cruise I'm taking in a few weeks departs from SC.
U.S. CDC says people should ‘avoid cruise travel, regardless of vaccination status’
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@copper said in The White House Warns Us:
Why does South Carolina have such a Huge lead?
The cruise I'm taking in a few weeks departs from SC.
U.S. CDC says people should ‘avoid cruise travel, regardless of vaccination status’
wrote on 30 Dec 2021, 21:15 last edited by@axtremus said in The White House Warns Us:
@copper said in The White House Warns Us:
Why does South Carolina have such a Huge lead?
The cruise I'm taking in a few weeks departs from SC.
U.S. CDC says people should ‘avoid cruise travel, regardless of vaccination status’
Brian Salerno with the Cruise Lines International Association said the trade group was frustrated by the CDC’s decision.
“We’re obviously disappointed at the CDC’s decision to raise the travel level for cruise today—especially given the overwhelming level of effectiveness of cruise protocols that are resulting in significantly lower level of cases on cruise as compared to land,” said Salerno, senior vice president for maritime policy.
I have no idea who Mr. Salerno is.
And even though I assume he is totally motivated by greed
I'm pretty sure he is about a million times more trustworthy than the CDC
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@89th said in The White House Warns Us:
BTW I had my very first COVID test today.
Results: Negativo.
wrote on 30 Dec 2021, 23:12 last edited by@89th said in The White House Warns Us:
@89th said in The White House Warns Us:
BTW I had my very first COVID test today.
Results: Negativo.
I had my 8th test today.
Negativo.
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@89th said in The White House Warns Us:
@89th said in The White House Warns Us:
BTW I had my very first COVID test today.
Results: Negativo.
I had my 8th test today.
Negativo.
wrote on 31 Dec 2021, 00:55 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The White House Warns Us:
@89th said in The White House Warns Us:
@89th said in The White House Warns Us:
BTW I had my very first COVID test today.
Results: Negativo.
I had my 8th test today.
Negativo.
Geez...I've had one (+), and I do the durn things...
