The White House Warns Us
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 15:22 last edited by
What exactly is incorrect about the statement from the White House?
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In October, unvaccinated individuals had a 5 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 14 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals, according to data compiled by the CDC. Additionally, unvaccinated individuals had a 10 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 20 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals with a booster.
UNQUOTEI am sure people will say, "oh, if they want to take the risk, that is their choice.". NO, it is like a pebble being dropped into a pond. Their being in the hospital means one less bed for someone who has scheduled surgery. Which means they are putting others in danger. Etc etc Someone wants to drive 100 km/hr down a residential street. "OH, that it their choice. If they want to risk their life, they should be able to do it." Eye yay yay
Again, it gets back to the point that to live in a civilized society, there are things that we should (or must) do that we may not fully agree with.
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What exactly is incorrect about the statement from the White House?
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In October, unvaccinated individuals had a 5 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 14 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals, according to data compiled by the CDC. Additionally, unvaccinated individuals had a 10 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 20 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals with a booster.
UNQUOTEI am sure people will say, "oh, if they want to take the risk, that is their choice.". NO, it is like a pebble being dropped into a pond. Their being in the hospital means one less bed for someone who has scheduled surgery. Which means they are putting others in danger. Etc etc Someone wants to drive 100 km/hr down a residential street. "OH, that it their choice. If they want to risk their life, they should be able to do it." Eye yay yay
Again, it gets back to the point that to live in a civilized society, there are things that we should (or must) do that we may not fully agree with.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 15:25 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in The White House Warns Us:
What exactly is incorrect about the statement from the White House?
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In October, unvaccinated individuals had a 5 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 14 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals, according to data compiled by the CDC. Additionally, unvaccinated individuals had a 10 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 20 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals with a booster.
UNQUOTEI am sure people will say, "oh, if they want to take the risk, that is their choice.". NO, it is like a pebble being dropped into a pond. Their being in the hospital means one less bed for someone who has scheduled surgery. Which means they are putting others in danger. Etc etc Someone wants to drive 100 km/hr down a residential street. "OH, that it their choice. If they want to risk their life, they should be able to do it." Eye yay yay
Again, it gets back to the point that to live in a civilized society, there are things that we should (or must) do that we may not fully agree with.
Incorrect?
Because it's bullshit.
Breakthrough cases got up to 10% down here during the Delta wave.
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@taiwan_girl said in The White House Warns Us:
What exactly is incorrect about the statement from the White House?
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In October, unvaccinated individuals had a 5 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 14 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals, according to data compiled by the CDC. Additionally, unvaccinated individuals had a 10 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 20 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals with a booster.
UNQUOTEI am sure people will say, "oh, if they want to take the risk, that is their choice.". NO, it is like a pebble being dropped into a pond. Their being in the hospital means one less bed for someone who has scheduled surgery. Which means they are putting others in danger. Etc etc Someone wants to drive 100 km/hr down a residential street. "OH, that it their choice. If they want to risk their life, they should be able to do it." Eye yay yay
Again, it gets back to the point that to live in a civilized society, there are things that we should (or must) do that we may not fully agree with.
Incorrect?
Because it's bullshit.
Breakthrough cases got up to 10% down here during the Delta wave.
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@taiwan_girl said in The White House Warns Us:
What exactly is incorrect about the statement from the White House?
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In October, unvaccinated individuals had a 5 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 14 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals, according to data compiled by the CDC. Additionally, unvaccinated individuals had a 10 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 20 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals with a booster.
UNQUOTEI am sure people will say, "oh, if they want to take the risk, that is their choice.". NO, it is like a pebble being dropped into a pond. Their being in the hospital means one less bed for someone who has scheduled surgery. Which means they are putting others in danger. Etc etc Someone wants to drive 100 km/hr down a residential street. "OH, that it their choice. If they want to risk their life, they should be able to do it." Eye yay yay
Again, it gets back to the point that to live in a civilized society, there are things that we should (or must) do that we may not fully agree with.
Incorrect?
Because it's bullshit.
Breakthrough cases got up to 10% down here during the Delta wave.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 15:32 last edited by@jolly said in The White House Warns Us:
Incorrect?
Because it's bullshit.
Breakthrough cases got up to 10% down here during the Delta wave.So non-vaccinated made up 90% of the cases? That's greater than 5 times the risk for testing positive, which is what the government claimed.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 15:38 last edited by
@Axtremus @Doctor-Phibes Agree, That was my point. It is one thing to have COVID and be mild or no symptoms.
Another stage all together to be in the hospital.
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@jolly said in The White House Warns Us:
Incorrect?
Because it's bullshit.
Breakthrough cases got up to 10% down here during the Delta wave.So non-vaccinated made up 90% of the cases? That's greater than 5 times the risk for testing positive, which is what the government claimed.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 15:50 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So non-vaccinated made up 90% of the cases? That's greater than 5 times the risk for testing positive, which is what the government claimed.
Yeah but it's a democrat saying it so it must be criticized.
Reminder: I am a conservative, but I am glad to see the government making the messaging very clear.
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@Jolly wrote:
Breakthrough cases got up to 10% down here during the Delta wave.
Infections or hospitalization?
Either way, that means 90%+ of cases are not breakthrough, 90%+ of cases hit the unvaccinated.wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 15:56 last edited by@axtremus said in The White House Warns Us:
@Jolly wrote:
Breakthrough cases got up to 10% down here during the Delta wave.
Infections or hospitalization?
Either way, that means 90%+ of cases are not breakthrough, 90%+ of cases hit the unvaccinated.Hospitalization.
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@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So non-vaccinated made up 90% of the cases? That's greater than 5 times the risk for testing positive, which is what the government claimed.
Yeah but it's a democrat saying it so it must be criticized.
Reminder: I am a conservative, but I am glad to see the government making the messaging very clear.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 15:57 last edited by@89th said in The White House Warns Us:
@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So non-vaccinated made up 90% of the cases? That's greater than 5 times the risk for testing positive, which is what the government claimed.
Yeah but it's a democrat saying it so it must be criticized.
Reminder: I am a conservative, but I am glad to see the government making the messaging very clear.
You like the government waaay too much to be conservative, other than the typical beltway crap.
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@jolly said in The White House Warns Us:
Incorrect?
Because it's bullshit.
Breakthrough cases got up to 10% down here during the Delta wave.So non-vaccinated made up 90% of the cases? That's greater than 5 times the risk for testing positive, which is what the government claimed.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 15:58 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
@jolly said in The White House Warns Us:
Incorrect?
Because it's bullshit.
Breakthrough cases got up to 10% down here during the Delta wave.So non-vaccinated made up 90% of the cases? That's greater than 5 times the risk for testing positive, which is what the government claimed.
That's not what the statement or the graph says. Relick your calf.
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@89th said in The White House Warns Us:
@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So non-vaccinated made up 90% of the cases? That's greater than 5 times the risk for testing positive, which is what the government claimed.
Yeah but it's a democrat saying it so it must be criticized.
Reminder: I am a conservative, but I am glad to see the government making the messaging very clear.
You like the government waaay too much to be conservative, other than the typical beltway crap.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 16:01 last edited by@jolly said in The White House Warns Us:
You like the government waaay too much to be conservative, other than the typical beltway crap.
What claims have I made that imply I like the government? What I like, in this case, is the government being clear in the messaging about how we can get past this pandemic. What I don't like are the continued mask mandates, COVID waves, and deaths across the country. Politics has nothing to do with this. I'd be saying the same thing if Trump sent this message.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 16:14 last edited by
@taiwan_girl said in The White House Warns Us:
What exactly is incorrect about the statement from the White House?
QUOTE
In October, unvaccinated individuals had a 5 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 14 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals, according to data compiled by the CDC. Additionally, unvaccinated individuals had a 10 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 20 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals with a booster.
UNQUOTEIt’s poor and misleading statistical analysis for one. Let’s say that EVERY SINGLE PERSON that is hospitalized is unvaccinated (and we know that’s not true) then .065% of the unvaccinated are hospitalized with COVID.
The way it’s presented makes it seem like 99.9975% of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated and we know that’s simply not true. The real number is likely around 20%. And yes, @Doctor-Phibes that means that 30% of the population represents 80% of the hospitalizations. Obviously vaccination helps. Just not at the levels that we are being led to believe.
I’ notice that they’re are also not pointing out that that 80% or more of the hospitalized are elderly.
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@taiwan_girl said in The White House Warns Us:
What exactly is incorrect about the statement from the White House?
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In October, unvaccinated individuals had a 5 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 14 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals, according to data compiled by the CDC. Additionally, unvaccinated individuals had a 10 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 20 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals with a booster.
UNQUOTEIt’s poor and misleading statistical analysis for one. Let’s say that EVERY SINGLE PERSON that is hospitalized is unvaccinated (and we know that’s not true) then .065% of the unvaccinated are hospitalized with COVID.
The way it’s presented makes it seem like 99.9975% of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated and we know that’s simply not true. The real number is likely around 20%. And yes, @Doctor-Phibes that means that 30% of the population represents 80% of the hospitalizations. Obviously vaccination helps. Just not at the levels that we are being led to believe.
I’ notice that they’re are also not pointing out that that 80% or more of the hospitalized are elderly.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 16:44 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The White House Warns Us:
The way it’s presented makes it seem like 99.9975% of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated and we know that’s simply not true. The real number is likely around 20%.
Where does the 20% come from?
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 16:50 last edited by
That's the thing - pretty much any numbers being thrown around now are estimations or WAGs. Omi is too new. We know that vaccination provides a pretty robust defense against serious illness. But that doesn't really help you as an individual or predict your response.
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@lufins-dad said in The White House Warns Us:
The way it’s presented makes it seem like 99.9975% of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated and we know that’s simply not true. The real number is likely around 20%.
Where does the 20% come from?
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 17:01 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
@lufins-dad said in The White House Warns Us:
The way it’s presented makes it seem like 99.9975% of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated and we know that’s simply not true. The real number is likely around 20%.
Where does the 20% come from?
Based on the Delta numbers provided by the UK, Israel, and the 12 or so states that actually tracked it. @Jolly confirmed it himself for his hospital and I have heard similar numbers from others in hospitals.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 17:22 last edited by
So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 17:28 last edited by
Why does South Carolina have such a Huge lead?
The cruise I'm taking in a few weeks departs from SC.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 19:26 last edited by
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So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 19:38 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
I think Manchin has proven the Biden Whitehouse is not overly successful in beating people into submission...
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@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
I think Manchin has proven the Biden Whitehouse is not overly successful in beating people into submission...
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 19:41 last edited by@jolly said in The White House Warns Us:
@doctor-phibes said in The White House Warns Us:
So, where's the argument not to get vaccinated currently sitting?
20% of people on Facebook think it might be a bad idea based on what they'd heard on Instagram?
34% of random people doing podcasts have friends who'd heard of somebody who's bollocks swelled up?
"Let's go Brandon"?
I think Manchin has proven the Biden Whitehouse is not overly successful in beating people into submission...
"I didn't get vaccinated because Joe Biden said I should, and I don't like him. "
And to think that people bemoan our lack of critical thinking skills.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 19:44 last edited by
So is anyone planning on going after China over this? I mean, the coverup alone is horrific shit.