For those who blame Trump for antivax
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@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
anti-vax statements for many years
What years were those?
2007, 2009, 2012, 2015, ...
You know, right around the time of his failed obsession with Obama's birth certificate.
wrote on 20 Dec 2021, 22:05 last edited by@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
anti-vax statements for many years
What years were those?
2007, 2009, 2012, 2015, ...
You know, right around the time of his failed obsession with Obama's birth certificate.
You mean back when he was discussing the accuracy of Hillary Clinton's claim?
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@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.
Link to videowrote on 20 Dec 2021, 22:09 last edited by@xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.
Link to videoIn that video Trump said, and I quote "I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF VACCINES". Yet you offer it up as "evidence" that he was anti vaccines, and with a straight face you expect to be taken seriously...
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@xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.
Link to videoIn that video Trump said, and I quote "I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF VACCINES". Yet you offer it up as "evidence" that he was anti vaccines, and with a straight face you expect to be taken seriously...
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 01:43 last edited by@larry said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.
Link to videoIn that video Trump said, and I quote "I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF VACCINES". Yet you offer it up as "evidence" that he was anti vaccines, and with a straight face you expect to be taken seriously...
“I’m totally in favor of vaccines, but the way we give them now probably give kids autism”
Fair paraphrase?
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 02:22 last edited by
More fair would be, we don't know everything there is to know about vaccines and there has been one case where there were apparently unpleasant side-effects.
"probably" gives autism, that is really out of line as a paraphrase
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More fair would be, we don't know everything there is to know about vaccines and there has been one case where there were apparently unpleasant side-effects.
"probably" gives autism, that is really out of line as a paraphrase
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 02:44 last edited by@copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
More fair would be, we don't know everything there is to know about vaccines and there has been one case where there were apparently unpleasant side-effects.
"probably" gives autism, that is really out of line as a paraphrase
Interesting interpretation. Here’s a direct quote from that same video:
“I’m totally in favor of vaccines… but I want smaller doses over a longer period of time… because you take a baby in…”
So you’re saying he wants to change the vax protocols to prevent autism because an N=1 anecdote?
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 02:44 last edited by
Guess who is anti-vax!
'Over my dead body' will I get the COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sarah-palin-over-my-dead-body-will-i-get-a-covid-19-vaccine
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@copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
More fair would be, we don't know everything there is to know about vaccines and there has been one case where there were apparently unpleasant side-effects.
"probably" gives autism, that is really out of line as a paraphrase
Interesting interpretation. Here’s a direct quote from that same video:
“I’m totally in favor of vaccines… but I want smaller doses over a longer period of time… because you take a baby in…”
So you’re saying he wants to change the vax protocols to prevent autism because an N=1 anecdote?
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 02:51 last edited by@xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
So you’re saying he wants to change the vax protocols to prevent autism because an N=1 anecdote?
This is the problem, that we are even discussing what Trump suggested regarding vaccines. Nearly every business entity that Trump has created has failed and gone bankrupt. And that is the business industry...something Trump is an expert it. Now let's talk the medical industry, something Trump knows nothing about but is given a national stage and uses it to say, "I'm all in favor for vaccines, but let me tell you the story of a beautiful healthy baby who had a vaccine and then BOOM.... autistic." Yeah, let's defend this guy's medical opinion.
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@copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
More fair would be, we don't know everything there is to know about vaccines and there has been one case where there were apparently unpleasant side-effects.
"probably" gives autism, that is really out of line as a paraphrase
Interesting interpretation. Here’s a direct quote from that same video:
“I’m totally in favor of vaccines… but I want smaller doses over a longer period of time… because you take a baby in…”
So you’re saying he wants to change the vax protocols to prevent autism because an N=1 anecdote?
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 02:56 last edited by@xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
More fair would be, we don't know everything there is to know about vaccines and there has been one case where there were apparently unpleasant side-effects.
"probably" gives autism, that is really out of line as a paraphrase
Interesting interpretation. Here’s a direct quote from that same video:
“I’m totally in favor of vaccines… but I want smaller doses over a longer period of time… because you take a baby in…”
So you’re saying he wants to change the vax protocols to prevent autism because an N=1 anecdote?
No, you know I'm not saying that.
I'm answering your question, it was not a fair paraphrase.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 02:58 last edited by
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 03:02 last edited by
There is no problem finding lists of foolish things said by Mr. Trump.
I only jumped in to discuss this specific event and the accompanying question about the paraphrase.
I am not here to justify Mr. Trump's life.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 03:08 last edited by
Yep, and Trump wasn't the only one on that train 10 or 20 years ago. You only know what you know when you know it.
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@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 03:15 last edited by@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
In June of this year he said we're lucky to have the vaccine but vaccines for young people needs to stop. In May last year he said it would be helpful to have the vaccine, but that the coronavirus will probably just go away on its own. He also was the only ex-president not to appear in a pro-vaccine public service message. Just recently (in Sept?) he told his supporters he probably won't get the booster shot. As seen in the first post of this thread, he did end up getting it.
As with most topics, Trump tries to have it both ways... he is for vaccines, but also they can cause autism. He is for the covid vaccine, but it may not be necessary. He thinks it's good to get it, but people should be free to choose not to (I agree with that btw). He probably wont get it, but then he ends up getting it. So as I said initially... he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many who are currently anti-vax.
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@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
In June of this year he said we're lucky to have the vaccine but vaccines for young people needs to stop. In May last year he said it would be helpful to have the vaccine, but that the coronavirus will probably just go away on its own. He also was the only ex-president not to appear in a pro-vaccine public service message. Just recently (in Sept?) he told his supporters he probably won't get the booster shot. As seen in the first post of this thread, he did end up getting it.
As with most topics, Trump tries to have it both ways... he is for vaccines, but also they can cause autism. He is for the covid vaccine, but it may not be necessary. He thinks it's good to get it, but people should be free to choose not to (I agree with that btw). He probably wont get it, but then he ends up getting it. So as I said initially... he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many who are currently anti-vax.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 03:20 last edited by Jolly@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
In June of this year he said we're lucky to have the vaccine but vaccines for young people needs to stop. In May last year he said it would be helpful to have the vaccine, but that the coronavirus will probably just go away on its own. He also was the only ex-president not to appear in a pro-vaccine public service message. Just recently (in Sept?) he told his supporters he probably won't get the booster shot. As seen in the first post of this thread, he did end up getting it.
As with most topics, Trump tries to have it both ways... he is for vaccines, but also they can cause autism. He is for the covid vaccine, but it may not be necessary. He thinks it's good to get it, but people should be free to choose not to (I agree with that btw). He probably wont get it, but then he ends up getting it. So as I said initially... he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many who are currently anti-vax.
Give the quote and context for stopping vaccines for young oeople.
In the case of COVID going away, that's the general path of many pandemics.
OMG, he didn't appear in a vaccine commercial? Quelle horreur!
Son, you're trying to fling enough mud, so some of it sticks. It is starting to look desperate...
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@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
In June of this year he said we're lucky to have the vaccine but vaccines for young people needs to stop. In May last year he said it would be helpful to have the vaccine, but that the coronavirus will probably just go away on its own. He also was the only ex-president not to appear in a pro-vaccine public service message. Just recently (in Sept?) he told his supporters he probably won't get the booster shot. As seen in the first post of this thread, he did end up getting it.
As with most topics, Trump tries to have it both ways... he is for vaccines, but also they can cause autism. He is for the covid vaccine, but it may not be necessary. He thinks it's good to get it, but people should be free to choose not to (I agree with that btw). He probably wont get it, but then he ends up getting it. So as I said initially... he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many who are currently anti-vax.
Give the quote and context for stopping vaccines for young oeople.
In the case of COVID going away, that's the general path of many pandemics.
OMG, he didn't appear in a vaccine commercial? Quelle horreur!
Son, you're trying to fling enough mud, so some of it sticks. It is starting to look desperate...
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 03:50 last edited by@jolly All I said is he planted seeds of doubt (an opinion), he has made anti-vax statements (accurate), and when asked about COVID vax I replied with the comments that have planted the seeds of doubt among some (accurate). No mud here, just an opinion that references facts for context.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 04:16 last edited by
Trump's a complete pillock. We all know that.
Well, I know that. Some of you seem to have doubts.
I'd make more jokes about American voters if it wasn't for the total fucking prat the Brits have elected in their wisdom.
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@jolly All I said is he planted seeds of doubt (an opinion), he has made anti-vax statements (accurate), and when asked about COVID vax I replied with the comments that have planted the seeds of doubt among some (accurate). No mud here, just an opinion that references facts for context.
wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 05:25 last edited by@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@jolly All I said is he planted seeds of doubt (an opinion), he has made anti-vax statements (accurate), and when asked about COVID vax I replied with the comments that have planted the seeds of doubt among some (accurate). No mud here, just an opinion that references facts for context.
Of course. Autism and COVID deaths are the same thing. How silly of me to think otherwise...
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 15:16 last edited by
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 16:47 last edited by
Candace really tried there. She had to take her L on that topic and move on.
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@axtremus said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
Did you catch where he said that the Spanish flu ended the First World War?
That's an "unconventional" assessment of what happened.
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Trump's a complete pillock. We all know that.
Well, I know that. Some of you seem to have doubts.
I'd make more jokes about American voters if it wasn't for the total fucking prat the Brits have elected in their wisdom.
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 17:57 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
Trump's a complete pillock.
Why don't British swearwords like "wanker", "bugger", "twat", and "pillock" offend Americans?