For those who blame Trump for antivax
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@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
anti-vax statements for many years
What years were those?
You remember these conversations.
To be fair, as far as medical hypotheses go, Trump's idea is not completely crazy. Or at least it wouldn't be if this were still 1998.
That year, a well-respected journal published a paper by researcher Andrew Wakefield and 12 of his colleagues linking a standard measles, mumps and rubella vaccine to autism. Despite its tiny sample size of 12 and its speculative conclusions, the study was publicized far and wide -- launching a global movement involving celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey (and of course Trump) who warned parents to stop vaccinating their children. The result was what public health officials reported was a dangerous drop in MMR vaccinations.
@copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey (and of course Trump)
The Three Wise Men of modern times.
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@copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey (and of course Trump)
The Three Wise Men of modern times.
@doctor-phibes said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
The Three Wise Men of modern times.
Well, Trump has "followed the science." His place in the triumvirate has been assumed by Robert Kennedy Jr.
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@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
anti-vax statements for many years
What years were those?
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
anti-vax statements for many years
What years were those?
2007, 2009, 2012, 2015, ...
You know, right around the time of his failed obsession with Obama's birth certificate.
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@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
anti-vax statements for many years
What years were those?
2007, 2009, 2012, 2015, ...
You know, right around the time of his failed obsession with Obama's birth certificate.
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
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@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.
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@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.
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@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
anti-vax statements for many years
What years were those?
2007, 2009, 2012, 2015, ...
You know, right around the time of his failed obsession with Obama's birth certificate.
@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
anti-vax statements for many years
What years were those?
2007, 2009, 2012, 2015, ...
You know, right around the time of his failed obsession with Obama's birth certificate.
You mean back when he was discussing the accuracy of Hillary Clinton's claim?
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@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.
Link to video@xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.
Link to videoIn that video Trump said, and I quote "I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF VACCINES". Yet you offer it up as "evidence" that he was anti vaccines, and with a straight face you expect to be taken seriously...
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@xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.
Link to videoIn that video Trump said, and I quote "I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF VACCINES". Yet you offer it up as "evidence" that he was anti vaccines, and with a straight face you expect to be taken seriously...
@larry said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.
Link to videoIn that video Trump said, and I quote "I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF VACCINES". Yet you offer it up as "evidence" that he was anti vaccines, and with a straight face you expect to be taken seriously...
“I’m totally in favor of vaccines, but the way we give them now probably give kids autism”
Fair paraphrase?
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More fair would be, we don't know everything there is to know about vaccines and there has been one case where there were apparently unpleasant side-effects.
"probably" gives autism, that is really out of line as a paraphrase
@copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
More fair would be, we don't know everything there is to know about vaccines and there has been one case where there were apparently unpleasant side-effects.
"probably" gives autism, that is really out of line as a paraphrase
Interesting interpretation. Here’s a direct quote from that same video:
“I’m totally in favor of vaccines… but I want smaller doses over a longer period of time… because you take a baby in…”
So you’re saying he wants to change the vax protocols to prevent autism because an N=1 anecdote?
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Guess who is anti-vax!
'Over my dead body' will I get the COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sarah-palin-over-my-dead-body-will-i-get-a-covid-19-vaccine
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@copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
More fair would be, we don't know everything there is to know about vaccines and there has been one case where there were apparently unpleasant side-effects.
"probably" gives autism, that is really out of line as a paraphrase
Interesting interpretation. Here’s a direct quote from that same video:
“I’m totally in favor of vaccines… but I want smaller doses over a longer period of time… because you take a baby in…”
So you’re saying he wants to change the vax protocols to prevent autism because an N=1 anecdote?
@xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
So you’re saying he wants to change the vax protocols to prevent autism because an N=1 anecdote?
This is the problem, that we are even discussing what Trump suggested regarding vaccines. Nearly every business entity that Trump has created has failed and gone bankrupt. And that is the business industry...something Trump is an expert it. Now let's talk the medical industry, something Trump knows nothing about but is given a national stage and uses it to say, "I'm all in favor for vaccines, but let me tell you the story of a beautiful healthy baby who had a vaccine and then BOOM.... autistic." Yeah, let's defend this guy's medical opinion.
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@copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
More fair would be, we don't know everything there is to know about vaccines and there has been one case where there were apparently unpleasant side-effects.
"probably" gives autism, that is really out of line as a paraphrase
Interesting interpretation. Here’s a direct quote from that same video:
“I’m totally in favor of vaccines… but I want smaller doses over a longer period of time… because you take a baby in…”
So you’re saying he wants to change the vax protocols to prevent autism because an N=1 anecdote?
@xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
More fair would be, we don't know everything there is to know about vaccines and there has been one case where there were apparently unpleasant side-effects.
"probably" gives autism, that is really out of line as a paraphrase
Interesting interpretation. Here’s a direct quote from that same video:
“I’m totally in favor of vaccines… but I want smaller doses over a longer period of time… because you take a baby in…”
So you’re saying he wants to change the vax protocols to prevent autism because an N=1 anecdote?
No, you know I'm not saying that.
I'm answering your question, it was not a fair paraphrase.
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Yep, and Trump wasn't the only one on that train 10 or 20 years ago. You only know what you know when you know it.
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@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
In June of this year he said we're lucky to have the vaccine but vaccines for young people needs to stop. In May last year he said it would be helpful to have the vaccine, but that the coronavirus will probably just go away on its own. He also was the only ex-president not to appear in a pro-vaccine public service message. Just recently (in Sept?) he told his supporters he probably won't get the booster shot. As seen in the first post of this thread, he did end up getting it.
As with most topics, Trump tries to have it both ways... he is for vaccines, but also they can cause autism. He is for the covid vaccine, but it may not be necessary. He thinks it's good to get it, but people should be free to choose not to (I agree with that btw). He probably wont get it, but then he ends up getting it. So as I said initially... he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many who are currently anti-vax.
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@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
In June of this year he said we're lucky to have the vaccine but vaccines for young people needs to stop. In May last year he said it would be helpful to have the vaccine, but that the coronavirus will probably just go away on its own. He also was the only ex-president not to appear in a pro-vaccine public service message. Just recently (in Sept?) he told his supporters he probably won't get the booster shot. As seen in the first post of this thread, he did end up getting it.
As with most topics, Trump tries to have it both ways... he is for vaccines, but also they can cause autism. He is for the covid vaccine, but it may not be necessary. He thinks it's good to get it, but people should be free to choose not to (I agree with that btw). He probably wont get it, but then he ends up getting it. So as I said initially... he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many who are currently anti-vax.
@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
In June of this year he said we're lucky to have the vaccine but vaccines for young people needs to stop. In May last year he said it would be helpful to have the vaccine, but that the coronavirus will probably just go away on its own. He also was the only ex-president not to appear in a pro-vaccine public service message. Just recently (in Sept?) he told his supporters he probably won't get the booster shot. As seen in the first post of this thread, he did end up getting it.
As with most topics, Trump tries to have it both ways... he is for vaccines, but also they can cause autism. He is for the covid vaccine, but it may not be necessary. He thinks it's good to get it, but people should be free to choose not to (I agree with that btw). He probably wont get it, but then he ends up getting it. So as I said initially... he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many who are currently anti-vax.
Give the quote and context for stopping vaccines for young oeople.
In the case of COVID going away, that's the general path of many pandemics.
OMG, he didn't appear in a vaccine commercial? Quelle horreur!
Son, you're trying to fling enough mud, so some of it sticks. It is starting to look desperate...
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@89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:
@89th my bad, I should have been more specific.
During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?
In June of this year he said we're lucky to have the vaccine but vaccines for young people needs to stop. In May last year he said it would be helpful to have the vaccine, but that the coronavirus will probably just go away on its own. He also was the only ex-president not to appear in a pro-vaccine public service message. Just recently (in Sept?) he told his supporters he probably won't get the booster shot. As seen in the first post of this thread, he did end up getting it.
As with most topics, Trump tries to have it both ways... he is for vaccines, but also they can cause autism. He is for the covid vaccine, but it may not be necessary. He thinks it's good to get it, but people should be free to choose not to (I agree with that btw). He probably wont get it, but then he ends up getting it. So as I said initially... he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many who are currently anti-vax.
Give the quote and context for stopping vaccines for young oeople.
In the case of COVID going away, that's the general path of many pandemics.
OMG, he didn't appear in a vaccine commercial? Quelle horreur!
Son, you're trying to fling enough mud, so some of it sticks. It is starting to look desperate...
@jolly All I said is he planted seeds of doubt (an opinion), he has made anti-vax statements (accurate), and when asked about COVID vax I replied with the comments that have planted the seeds of doubt among some (accurate). No mud here, just an opinion that references facts for context.
