Simple question about Potter
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 13:54 last edited by Mik
I disagree that she needs to do time at all. In fact I disagree that she should have been prosecuted. All this second guessing is going to get officers killed if it hasn't already. This fuckwad criminal made his own bed and created the situation where a mistake could be made.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 16:02 last edited by
At the end of the day, it's involuntary manslaughter.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 17:17 last edited by
I’m actually walking my stance back a little. Legally speaking, criminal negligence requires that you show the defendant ignored an obvious risk or disregards the health and safety of those around them. You can’t show that in this case. If anything, she was trying to be attentive to the safety of those around her by intending to use the taser and by yelling taser before firing. If there is no willful disregard of safety or risk, then there is no Criminal Negligence. No negligence, no manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary).
It’s a fine distinction, but it is a real one…
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 17:20 last edited by
So truckers and police officers need to be extra careful on the jobs or they go to prison for unintentional lapses of attention or judgment. Good thing they're so well compensated, to make up for that.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 17:55 last edited by
There are certain professions where error will result in the death of an individual - physicians, nurses, laboratory personnel, police officers, prison guards, air traffic controllers, manufacturers, congress critters, etc. In some cases, it is even a sure thing that a "mistake" will be made that results in loss of life. I don't think this officer deserves the fate that was given to her. We are going to see such an escalation of crime over the coming years - coming from fewer good people entering the police profession. I think back to last year's looting. I saw one instance where an officer comes onto a bunch of looters - does he go after the guys destroying property - nope, he went after what appeared to be a 16 year old girl - less of a challenge, less risk of problems.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 17:59 last edited by
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
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The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 18:16 last edited by@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
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@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 18:19 last edited by@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
The current situation could go one of two ways - either there's a continuing drift to the fringes, or there's a move back towards the center. The second of the two is clearly better for everyone, and in the past is what seemed to happen, at least in Western democracies. I wonder if the internet will change all that.
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@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 18:24 last edited by@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
Sounds like Renauda's prediction. I don't see it happening, not with the votes of the indoctrinated to contend with.
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@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
Sounds like Renauda's prediction. I don't see it happening, not with the votes of the indoctrinated to contend with.
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 18:46 last edited by@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
Sounds like Renauda's prediction. I don't see it happening, not with the votes of the indoctrinated to contend with.
At a certain point, you don't worry about the votes.
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@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
Sounds like Renauda's prediction. I don't see it happening, not with the votes of the indoctrinated to contend with.
At a certain point, you don't worry about the votes.
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 19:28 last edited by@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
Sounds like Renauda's prediction. I don't see it happening, not with the votes of the indoctrinated to contend with.
At a certain point, you don't worry about the votes.
Armed takeover of the US government is a fun prediction, but I don't think any historical examples apply.
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Personally, I wish people would understand that bad shit happens when you resist arrest. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is. Once we recognize that, we can begin the other conversations.
wrote on 25 Dec 2021, 00:50 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Simple question about Potter:
Personally, I wish people would understand that bad shit happens when you resist arrest. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is. Once we recognize that, we can begin the other conversations.
I agree.
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@lufins-dad said in Simple question about Potter:
Personally, I wish people would understand that bad shit happens when you resist arrest. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is. Once we recognize that, we can begin the other conversations.
I agree.
wrote on 26 Dec 2021, 17:31 last edited by@renauda said in Simple question about Potter:
@lufins-dad said in Simple question about Potter:
Personally, I wish people would understand that bad shit happens when you resist arrest. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is. Once we recognize that, we can begin the other conversations.
I agree.
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@renauda said in Simple question about Potter:
@lufins-dad said in Simple question about Potter:
Personally, I wish people would understand that bad shit happens when you resist arrest. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is. Once we recognize that, we can begin the other conversations.
I agree.
Agreewrote on 26 Dec 2021, 19:55 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Simple question about Potter:
@renauda said in Simple question about Potter:
@lufins-dad said in Simple question about Potter:
Personally, I wish people would understand that bad shit happens when you resist arrest. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is. Once we recognize that, we can begin the other conversations.
I agree.
AgreeSure, everybody agrees. The public discussion in America isn't whether you agree with that, it's whether you will accept it as a legitimate point of view, accept it as an ok thing to say out loud in the public discussion, or shame the utterance as racist. Exclude it from the discussion because it's what bad people think and say. Those are the two sides of this as the cultural discussion goes. It's not about whether the conservative view is rational. It's whether it should be allowed into the discussion, or marginalized as evil. The left takes the latter view.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 23:39 last edited by
The former police officer who fatally shot Daunte Wright during a traffic stop was sentenced to two years in prison on Friday, far less than the standard of about seven years for manslaughter, after a judge said leniency was warranted because the officer had meant to fire her Taser and not her gun.
Jurors convicted the former officer, Kimberly Potter, on two counts of manslaughter in December. They found that she had acted recklessly when she fired a bullet into Mr. Wright’s chest after warning that she was going to stun him and yelling: “Taser! Taser! Taser!”
Ms. Potter, a 49-year-old white woman who served on the police force in Brooklyn Center, Minn., resigned two days after the shooting in April, during a time of chaotic protests over the killing of Mr. Wright, a 20-year-old Black man. She has been imprisoned since the guilty verdict on Dec. 23.
Judge Regina M. Chu sentenced Ms. Potter on only the most serious count, first-degree manslaughter, in accordance with Minnesota law. The state’s sentencing guidelines list the felony count as having a presumptive punishment of a little more than seven years in prison, though the maximum penalty is 15 years. Judge Chu said the case was far different from most manslaughter cases, as well as from other high-profile police killings.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 23:55 last edited by
Should not have done a single day. Or hour. He brought his own death on himself.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 23:59 last edited by
If I heard the judge correctly, she'll do 18 months, with another 6 months house arrest and then parole.
But I could be totally wrong.
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If I heard the judge correctly, she'll do 18 months, with another 6 months house arrest and then parole.
But I could be totally wrong.
wrote on 19 Feb 2022, 00:16 last edited by George K@Jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
If I heard the judge correctly, she'll do 18 months, with another 6 months house arrest and then parole.
And what kind of life can she live afterward? Can she ever find a job?
ETA:
Judge Regina Chu handed down the sentence in a Minneapolis courtroom over the objection of prosecutors after the former officer apologized to the victim's family. Potter will serve 16 months in prison followed by eight months of supervised release.
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@Jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
If I heard the judge correctly, she'll do 18 months, with another 6 months house arrest and then parole.
And what kind of life can she live afterward? Can she ever find a job?
ETA:
Judge Regina Chu handed down the sentence in a Minneapolis courtroom over the objection of prosecutors after the former officer apologized to the victim's family. Potter will serve 16 months in prison followed by eight months of supervised release.
wrote on 19 Feb 2022, 00:40 last edited by@George-K said in Simple question about Potter:
@Jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
If I heard the judge correctly, she'll do 18 months, with another 6 months house arrest and then parole.
And what kind of life can she live afterward? Can she ever find a job?
ETA:
Judge Regina Chu handed down the sentence in a Minneapolis courtroom over the objection of prosecutors after the former officer apologized to the victim's family. Potter will serve 16 months in prison followed by eight months of supervised release.
She can, but it won't be in law enforcement or anything where a felony conviction bars employment.
