Simple question about Potter

[Horace]

So truckers and police officers need to be extra careful on the jobs or they go to prison for unintentional lapses of attention or judgment. Good thing they're so well compensated, to make up for that.

[kluurs]

There are certain professions where error will result in the death of an individual - physicians, nurses, laboratory personnel, police officers, prison guards, air traffic controllers, manufacturers, congress critters, etc. In some cases, it is even a sure thing that a "mistake" will be made that results in loss of life. I don't think this officer deserves the fate that was given to her. We are going to see such an escalation of crime over the coming years - coming from fewer good people entering the police profession. I think back to last year's looting. I saw one instance where an officer comes onto a bunch of looters - does he go after the guys destroying property - nope, he went after what appeared to be a 16 year old girl - less of a challenge, less risk of problems.

[Horace]

The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.

[Jolly]

@horace said in Simple question about Potter:

The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.

Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:

@horace said in Simple question about Potter:

The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.

Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...

The current situation could go one of two ways - either there's a continuing drift to the fringes, or there's a move back towards the center. The second of the two is clearly better for everyone, and in the past is what seemed to happen, at least in Western democracies. I wonder if the internet will change all that.

[Horace]

@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:

@horace said in Simple question about Potter:

The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.

Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...

Sounds like Renauda's prediction. I don't see it happening, not with the votes of the indoctrinated to contend with.

[Jolly]

@horace said in Simple question about Potter:

@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:

@horace said in Simple question about Potter:

The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.

Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...

Sounds like Renauda's prediction. I don't see it happening, not with the votes of the indoctrinated to contend with.

At a certain point, you don't worry about the votes.

[Horace]

@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:

@horace said in Simple question about Potter:

@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:

@horace said in Simple question about Potter:

The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.

Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...

Sounds like Renauda's prediction. I don't see it happening, not with the votes of the indoctrinated to contend with.

At a certain point, you don't worry about the votes.

Armed takeover of the US government is a fun prediction, but I don't think any historical examples apply.

[Renauda]

@lufins-dad said in Simple question about Potter:

Personally, I wish people would understand that bad shit happens when you resist arrest. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is. Once we recognize that, we can begin the other conversations.

I agree.

[taiwan_girl]

@renauda said in Simple question about Potter:

@lufins-dad said in Simple question about Potter:

Personally, I wish people would understand that bad shit happens when you resist arrest. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is. Once we recognize that, we can begin the other conversations.

I agree.

Agree

[Horace]

@taiwan_girl said in Simple question about Potter:

@renauda said in Simple question about Potter:

@lufins-dad said in Simple question about Potter:

Personally, I wish people would understand that bad shit happens when you resist arrest. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is. Once we recognize that, we can begin the other conversations.

I agree.

Agree

Sure, everybody agrees. The public discussion in America isn't whether you agree with that, it's whether you will accept it as a legitimate point of view, accept it as an ok thing to say out loud in the public discussion, or shame the utterance as racist. Exclude it from the discussion because it's what bad people think and say. Those are the two sides of this as the cultural discussion goes. It's not about whether the conservative view is rational. It's whether it should be allowed into the discussion, or marginalized as evil. The left takes the latter view.

[George K]

Two years:

The former police officer who fatally shot Daunte Wright during a traffic stop was sentenced to two years in prison on Friday, far less than the standard of about seven years for manslaughter, after a judge said leniency was warranted because the officer had meant to fire her Taser and not her gun.

Jurors convicted the former officer, Kimberly Potter, on two counts of manslaughter in December. They found that she had acted recklessly when she fired a bullet into Mr. Wright’s chest after warning that she was going to stun him and yelling: “Taser! Taser! Taser!”

Ms. Potter, a 49-year-old white woman who served on the police force in Brooklyn Center, Minn., resigned two days after the shooting in April, during a time of chaotic protests over the killing of Mr. Wright, a 20-year-old Black man. She has been imprisoned since the guilty verdict on Dec. 23.

Judge Regina M. Chu sentenced Ms. Potter on only the most serious count, first-degree manslaughter, in accordance with Minnesota law. The state’s sentencing guidelines list the felony count as having a presumptive punishment of a little more than seven years in prison, though the maximum penalty is 15 years. Judge Chu said the case was far different from most manslaughter cases, as well as from other high-profile police killings.

[Mik]

Should not have done a single day. Or hour. He brought his own death on himself.

[Jolly]

If I heard the judge correctly, she'll do 18 months, with another 6 months house arrest and then parole.

But I could be totally wrong.

[George K]

@Jolly said in Simple question about Potter:

If I heard the judge correctly, she'll do 18 months, with another 6 months house arrest and then parole.

And what kind of life can she live afterward? Can she ever find a job?

ETA:

Judge Regina Chu handed down the sentence in a Minneapolis courtroom over the objection of prosecutors after the former officer apologized to the victim's family. Potter will serve 16 months in prison followed by eight months of supervised release.

[Jolly]

@George-K said in Simple question about Potter:

@Jolly said in Simple question about Potter:

If I heard the judge correctly, she'll do 18 months, with another 6 months house arrest and then parole.

And what kind of life can she live afterward? Can she ever find a job?

ETA:

Judge Regina Chu handed down the sentence in a Minneapolis courtroom over the objection of prosecutors after the former officer apologized to the victim's family. Potter will serve 16 months in prison followed by eight months of supervised release.

She can, but it won't be in law enforcement or anything where a felony conviction bars employment.

[89th]

I’m glad at least the judge significantly knocked down from the typical 80+ sentence to the 18-24 sentence. The judge’s speech after was good, she made it clear that Potter didn’t intend to do any harm and they police officers risk their lives daily and have to act in a split second during evolving scenarios.

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Simple question about Potter:

And what kind of life can she live afterward?

Better than his.

I once made the comment to a Cape Cod resident that Chappaquiddick ruined Teddy Kennedy's career. He replied that it didn't do hers much good either.

[Mik]

C'mon, Phibes. Unlike Mary Jo, this guy put himself in a position where bodily harm was extremely likely. I have very little sympathy for him.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Mik said in Simple question about Potter:

C'mon, Phibes. Unlike Mary Jo, this guy put himself in a position where bodily harm was extremely likely. I have very little sympathy for him.

I have sympathy for both of them, TBH - as in, both the cop and the perp