Simple question about Potter
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 12:36 last edited by
Would any of us now strap on a badge and gun in Wisconsin? Or encourage one of our children to do so?
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Would any of us now strap on a badge and gun in Wisconsin? Or encourage one of our children to do so?
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 12:38 last edited by@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
Would any of us now strap on a badge and gun in Wisconsin? Or encourage one of our children to do so?
This was Minnesooota, but your point stands.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 13:05 last edited by
Sorry. It's early, I'm still working on my first cup, Christmas music is blaring in the kitchen and all damnyankees look alike to me...
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Would any of us now strap on a badge and gun in Wisconsin? Or encourage one of our children to do so?
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 13:22 last edited by@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
Would any of us now strap on a badge and gun in Wisconsin? Or encourage one of our children to do so?
I believe I've mentioned before, someone very close to me is in law enforcement in WI. Has been for 20 years. They are getting out of it as we speak, tired of what they see and hear all the time on the job.
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That’s a shame. It’s going to be increasingly difficult to recruit police officers of any quality.
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 13:23 last edited by@mik said in Simple question about Potter:
That’s a shame. It’s going to be increasingly difficult to recruit police officers of any quality.
Totally.
Also, the way the jury asked about hung jury rules... then a day or two later have a guilty verdict implies they just wanted to get home for Christmas (since they were sequestered).
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 13:24 last edited by
I’m sorry, but if there were ever a textbook definition of criminal incompetence, then this is it. She might have been a stellar officer in other respects, but this was really frigging bad. I think the charges were too high, but if we all agree that the truck driver in Colorado deserves to do a little time, how can she not? I’m not saying the charges are appropriate, but go to jail? Yes.
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I’m sorry, but if there were ever a textbook definition of criminal incompetence, then this is it. She might have been a stellar officer in other respects, but this was really frigging bad. I think the charges were too high, but if we all agree that the truck driver in Colorado deserves to do a little time, how can she not? I’m not saying the charges are appropriate, but go to jail? Yes.
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 13:26 last edited by@lufins-dad I said earlier I thought this was textbook involuntary manslaughter (at the worst) or at best a reason she should lose her job. But 1st/2nd degree manslaughter was an over-prosecution, IMO.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 13:31 last edited by
Elephant in the room: Don't shape the Tazer like a firearm and vice versa.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 13:49 last edited by
@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
Elephant in the room: Don't shape the Tazer like a firearm and vice versa.
That leads to a question I’ve been poking around for a while. Do you think that this is the first time an officer shot somebody thinking they had pulled a taser? My gut says no, but they didn’t have body cam video of the officer yelling “taser” as they fired. If she hadn’t yelled that, there’s a good chance she walks.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 13:54 last edited by Mik
I disagree that she needs to do time at all. In fact I disagree that she should have been prosecuted. All this second guessing is going to get officers killed if it hasn't already. This fuckwad criminal made his own bed and created the situation where a mistake could be made.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 16:02 last edited by
At the end of the day, it's involuntary manslaughter.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 17:17 last edited by
I’m actually walking my stance back a little. Legally speaking, criminal negligence requires that you show the defendant ignored an obvious risk or disregards the health and safety of those around them. You can’t show that in this case. If anything, she was trying to be attentive to the safety of those around her by intending to use the taser and by yelling taser before firing. If there is no willful disregard of safety or risk, then there is no Criminal Negligence. No negligence, no manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary).
It’s a fine distinction, but it is a real one…
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 17:20 last edited by
So truckers and police officers need to be extra careful on the jobs or they go to prison for unintentional lapses of attention or judgment. Good thing they're so well compensated, to make up for that.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 17:55 last edited by
There are certain professions where error will result in the death of an individual - physicians, nurses, laboratory personnel, police officers, prison guards, air traffic controllers, manufacturers, congress critters, etc. In some cases, it is even a sure thing that a "mistake" will be made that results in loss of life. I don't think this officer deserves the fate that was given to her. We are going to see such an escalation of crime over the coming years - coming from fewer good people entering the police profession. I think back to last year's looting. I saw one instance where an officer comes onto a bunch of looters - does he go after the guys destroying property - nope, he went after what appeared to be a 16 year old girl - less of a challenge, less risk of problems.
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wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 17:59 last edited by
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
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The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 18:16 last edited by@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
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@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 18:19 last edited by@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
The current situation could go one of two ways - either there's a continuing drift to the fringes, or there's a move back towards the center. The second of the two is clearly better for everyone, and in the past is what seemed to happen, at least in Western democracies. I wonder if the internet will change all that.
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@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 18:24 last edited by@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
Sounds like Renauda's prediction. I don't see it happening, not with the votes of the indoctrinated to contend with.
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@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
Sounds like Renauda's prediction. I don't see it happening, not with the votes of the indoctrinated to contend with.
wrote on 24 Dec 2021, 18:46 last edited by@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
@jolly said in Simple question about Potter:
@horace said in Simple question about Potter:
The left is making a complete mess of the culture. It'll affect everybody at some point, and not insignificantly. But hey, at least everybody is terrified of being labeled racist. That's a huge win for everybody.
Here's the problem...You don't want them screwing it up so bad that the Hard Right becomes the white knight on a horse...
Sounds like Renauda's prediction. I don't see it happening, not with the votes of the indoctrinated to contend with.
At a certain point, you don't worry about the votes.