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Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    #27

    They abandoned their kid too. Ethan’s first day in court was Wednesday, his parents were in hiding.

    Oh, and at the same time dad buys his kid a 9mm weapon, he’s in trouble for being behind on child support for another kid in Florida.

    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #28

      I think the "don't get caught" comment was directed to him regarding what he was looking at on his cellphone in class. If he had been looking at something not related to the shooting (porn?) I can almost, almost, see that admonishment.

      But, he was looking at ammo. It's another piece, but I believe a small one in the whole cascade.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
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        #29

        You would think that these factors would be enough to take him out of school in this day.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #30

          Did he have a history of mental instability, signs of aggression, etc., before his parents bought the pistol?

          If so, I can see some legal exposure there.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            #31

            Christ, even the Columbine parents lost lawsuits and they weren’t 1/100th as negligent.

            They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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            • CopperC Offline
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              #32

              When the FBI reads our The Dark or Inappropriate Humor thread

              They will wonder why nobody called them sooner.

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              • George KG George K

                Did he have a history of mental instability, signs of aggression, etc., before his parents bought the pistol?

                If so, I can see some legal exposure there.

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
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                #33

                @george-k said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

                Did he have a history of mental instability, signs of aggression, etc., before his parents bought the pistol?

                My thoughts as well.

                Elbows up!

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #34

                  Lawyer Shannon Smith says, "The gun was locked up..."

                  https://www.foxnews.com/us/ethan-crumbley-parents-lawyers-gun-prosecution

                  Attorney Smith also represented Larry Nasser, by the way.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    The fact that she texted “don’t do it” to her son when she heard there was an active shooter speaks volumes.

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #35

                    @jon-nyc said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

                    The fact that she texted “don’t do it” to her son when she heard there was an active shooter speaks volumes.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      #36

                      I hope this couple aren't somehow turned into victims, or worse, heroes, by people who disagree with their prosecution.

                      I was only joking

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                      • MikM Away
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                        Mik
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                        One might say the same about making them monsters.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          The parents of a Michigan school shooter may face trial after the state Supreme Court on Oct. 3 rejected their appeal.

                          “We are not persuaded that the question presented should be reviewed by this court,” Supreme Court judges wrote.

                          https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/10/supreme-court-wont-block-trial-for-parents-of-michigan-school-shooter.html

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
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                            Is it China that has the three generation rule?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              I’m of mixed emotions about this…

                              The Brad

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Is it China that has the three generation rule?

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                                Renauda
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                                #41

                                @Jolly said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

                                Is it China that has the three generation rule?

                                How is that relevant with this case?

                                Elbows up!

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                                  https://www.businessinsider.nl/the-jailed-mom-of-a-michigan-high-school-shooter-is-now-blaming-her-husband-prosecutors-say/

                                  In a Monday court filing, prosecutors said that Jennifer Crumbley may attempt to blame her husband during their trial, which is set to begin in January, nearly two years after a judge had to ask the couple to stop mouthing "I love you" to each other in court.

                                  "Defendant James Crumbley should be aware of the fact that defendant Jennifer Crumbley has placed blame on him in jail communications," prosecutors wrote. The prosecution did not elaborate on the referenced jail communications, which could include monitored phone calls or conversations with other inmates, among other interactions.

                                  James and Jennifer Crumbley each have their own attorney, but they will go to trial together with a joint defense. Prosecutors have noted in previous hearings this could cause a conflict of interest.

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                                    https://www.npr.org/2023/12/08/1218190612/ethan-crumbley-sentence-oxford-michigan-high-school-shooter

                                    The Michigan teen whose murderous rampage took the lives of four classmates at Oxford High School in November, 2021, will spend the rest of his life behind bars.

                                    That's the sentence handed-down by a Michigan judge after hours of often heart-wrenching statements by survivors and families of the victims, among others.

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                                      taiwan_girl
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                                      #44

                                      https://apnews.com/article/michigan-oxford-school-shooting-mother-charged-26db8e47dc2ef361629d47e5431290ae

                                      A school shooting that killed four students in Michigan could have been prevented if the mother of the armed teen had removed him after seeing his violent drawings that same day, a prosecutor told jurors Thursday in an uncommon trial about parental responsibility.

                                      Jennifer Crumbley is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the Nov. 30, 2021, attack at Oxford High School. Prosecutors say she and husband James Crumbley were grossly negligent and that their son’s actions were foreseeable.

                                      Jennifer Crumbley was aware of Ethan Crumbley’s deteriorating mental health and social isolation and knew that a gun drawn on a math assignment resembled the one that he had used with her at a shooting range, assistant prosecutor Marc Keast said.

                                      https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2024/01/25/jennifer-crumbley-involuntary-manslaughter-trial-oxford-high-shooting/72354794007/

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                                        https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2024/02/06/jennifer-crumbley-verdict-oakland-county-oxford/72483041007/

                                        The mother of the Oxford High School shooter on Tuesday was convicted on four counts of involuntary manslaughter, capping an emotional 11-day trial that some legal experts viewed as a possible precedent setter for holding parents criminally responsible for their children's actions.

                                        As the 12-member jury read their verdict Tuesday afternoon in Oakland County Circuit Court, Jennifer Crumbley, with her hands clasped on a table in front of her, showed little reaction but closed her eyes and looked down. Jurors deliberated for 11 hours before arriving at a decision tied to the killing of four Oxford High students by Crumbley's son. Crumbley is scheduled to be sentenced April 9 and faces up to 15 years in prison.

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                                          Renauda
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                                          #46

                                          I believe the verdict was appropriate. The father is scheduled for trial next month. Would not be surprised if he enters a plea before the trial gets underway. He’ll go down just like his wife if it goes to trial.

                                          Elbows up!

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