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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    #24

    The kid will be tried as an adult.

    And he thought high school was bad.

    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      And to beat a dead horse...There is a reason we went decades or maybe centuries without these mass shootings at schools.

      If not violent video games and the isolation of social media, then why?

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      89th
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      #25

      @jolly said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

      If not violent video games and the isolation of social media, then why?

      IMO, the primary fuel for the fire is the media coverage, ever since Columbine in 1999. I've said it a million times, the news loves school shootings. No individual reporter will tell you that, but their 24/7 coverage with special logos/intros with dramatic music... So when kids who are troubled realize their actions will get national coverage, including their name, face, reason, etc... it adds a bit of a reminder that this is an option for them.

      Other factors for sure, including social media... but the access to guns has not changed so IMO guns are not a reason for the increase in school shootings over the last 20 years.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        The fact that she texted “don’t do it” to her son when she heard there was an active shooter speaks volumes.

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        #26

        @jon-nyc said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

        The fact that she texted “don’t do it” to her son when she heard there was an active shooter speaks volumes.

        Agreed. Thanks for posting that timeline, that is what I was hearing yesterday... the whole picture with guns, blood, make the thoughts stop... it's almost like that's a stereotype of what teachers should look for. Talk about a textbook case of identifying the threat early.

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #27

          They abandoned their kid too. Ethan’s first day in court was Wednesday, his parents were in hiding.

          Oh, and at the same time dad buys his kid a 9mm weapon, he’s in trouble for being behind on child support for another kid in Florida.

          They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            I think the "don't get caught" comment was directed to him regarding what he was looking at on his cellphone in class. If he had been looking at something not related to the shooting (porn?) I can almost, almost, see that admonishment.

            But, he was looking at ammo. It's another piece, but I believe a small one in the whole cascade.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              You would think that these factors would be enough to take him out of school in this day.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                #30

                Did he have a history of mental instability, signs of aggression, etc., before his parents bought the pistol?

                If so, I can see some legal exposure there.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #31

                  Christ, even the Columbine parents lost lawsuits and they weren’t 1/100th as negligent.

                  They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                    When the FBI reads our The Dark or Inappropriate Humor thread

                    They will wonder why nobody called them sooner.

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                    • George KG George K

                      Did he have a history of mental instability, signs of aggression, etc., before his parents bought the pistol?

                      If so, I can see some legal exposure there.

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                      Renauda
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                      #33

                      @george-k said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

                      Did he have a history of mental instability, signs of aggression, etc., before his parents bought the pistol?

                      My thoughts as well.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        Lawyer Shannon Smith says, "The gun was locked up..."

                        https://www.foxnews.com/us/ethan-crumbley-parents-lawyers-gun-prosecution

                        Attorney Smith also represented Larry Nasser, by the way.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          The fact that she texted “don’t do it” to her son when she heard there was an active shooter speaks volumes.

                          George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #35

                          @jon-nyc said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

                          The fact that she texted “don’t do it” to her son when she heard there was an active shooter speaks volumes.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            I hope this couple aren't somehow turned into victims, or worse, heroes, by people who disagree with their prosecution.

                            I was only joking

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                            • MikM Away
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                              Mik
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                              One might say the same about making them monsters.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                The parents of a Michigan school shooter may face trial after the state Supreme Court on Oct. 3 rejected their appeal.

                                “We are not persuaded that the question presented should be reviewed by this court,” Supreme Court judges wrote.

                                https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/10/supreme-court-wont-block-trial-for-parents-of-michigan-school-shooter.html

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                                  Jolly
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                                  Is it China that has the three generation rule?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    I’m of mixed emotions about this…

                                    The Brad

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      Is it China that has the three generation rule?

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                                      #41

                                      @Jolly said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

                                      Is it China that has the three generation rule?

                                      How is that relevant with this case?

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        https://www.businessinsider.nl/the-jailed-mom-of-a-michigan-high-school-shooter-is-now-blaming-her-husband-prosecutors-say/

                                        In a Monday court filing, prosecutors said that Jennifer Crumbley may attempt to blame her husband during their trial, which is set to begin in January, nearly two years after a judge had to ask the couple to stop mouthing "I love you" to each other in court.

                                        "Defendant James Crumbley should be aware of the fact that defendant Jennifer Crumbley has placed blame on him in jail communications," prosecutors wrote. The prosecution did not elaborate on the referenced jail communications, which could include monitored phone calls or conversations with other inmates, among other interactions.

                                        James and Jennifer Crumbley each have their own attorney, but they will go to trial together with a joint defense. Prosecutors have noted in previous hearings this could cause a conflict of interest.

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                                          https://www.npr.org/2023/12/08/1218190612/ethan-crumbley-sentence-oxford-michigan-high-school-shooter

                                          The Michigan teen whose murderous rampage took the lives of four classmates at Oxford High School in November, 2021, will spend the rest of his life behind bars.

                                          That's the sentence handed-down by a Michigan judge after hours of often heart-wrenching statements by survivors and families of the victims, among others.

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