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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Are they still on the lam?

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    @jon-nyc said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

    Are they still on the lam?

    Michigan shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley's parents arrested in Detroit after manhunt

    The parents of Michigan school shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley were taken into custody in Saturday's predawn hours after an extensive manhunt for the couple, who had failed to appear for their arraignment Friday.

    James and Jennifer Crumbley face involuntary manslaughter charges in connection to Tuesday's tragedy at Oxford High School for refusing to take their son out of school after staff said he exhibited warning signs of violence and needed counseling, according to authorities.

    Ethan Crumbley, 15, was arrested after he allegedly opened fire at the school, killing four students and wounding seven other people.

    Following an hours-long search in Michigan on Friday that included U.S. Marshals' offers of $10,000 rewards each for their capture, law enforcement officers found the parents in Detroit, where they were reportedly hiding in an art studio after leaving their car in the building's parking lot.

    A business owner called 911 after seeing the suspects’ car and noticing a woman running away from it. Images of the car and the couple had been posted in the media.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-shooting-suspect-ethan-crumbley-parents-arrested-detroit-manhunt

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    Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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      Do counselors see children drawing pictures of violence every day?

      Are they desensitized? Are the warning signs common enough that no action is taken?

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        The fact that she texted “don’t do it” to her son when she heard there was an active shooter speaks volumes.

        They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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          jon-nyc
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          The kid will be tried as an adult.

          And he thought high school was bad.

          They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            And to beat a dead horse...There is a reason we went decades or maybe centuries without these mass shootings at schools.

            If not violent video games and the isolation of social media, then why?

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            @jolly said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

            If not violent video games and the isolation of social media, then why?

            IMO, the primary fuel for the fire is the media coverage, ever since Columbine in 1999. I've said it a million times, the news loves school shootings. No individual reporter will tell you that, but their 24/7 coverage with special logos/intros with dramatic music... So when kids who are troubled realize their actions will get national coverage, including their name, face, reason, etc... it adds a bit of a reminder that this is an option for them.

            Other factors for sure, including social media... but the access to guns has not changed so IMO guns are not a reason for the increase in school shootings over the last 20 years.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              The fact that she texted “don’t do it” to her son when she heard there was an active shooter speaks volumes.

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              @jon-nyc said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

              The fact that she texted “don’t do it” to her son when she heard there was an active shooter speaks volumes.

              Agreed. Thanks for posting that timeline, that is what I was hearing yesterday... the whole picture with guns, blood, make the thoughts stop... it's almost like that's a stereotype of what teachers should look for. Talk about a textbook case of identifying the threat early.

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                They abandoned their kid too. Ethan’s first day in court was Wednesday, his parents were in hiding.

                Oh, and at the same time dad buys his kid a 9mm weapon, he’s in trouble for being behind on child support for another kid in Florida.

                They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                  I think the "don't get caught" comment was directed to him regarding what he was looking at on his cellphone in class. If he had been looking at something not related to the shooting (porn?) I can almost, almost, see that admonishment.

                  But, he was looking at ammo. It's another piece, but I believe a small one in the whole cascade.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • MikM Away
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                    Mik
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                    You would think that these factors would be enough to take him out of school in this day.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Did he have a history of mental instability, signs of aggression, etc., before his parents bought the pistol?

                      If so, I can see some legal exposure there.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Christ, even the Columbine parents lost lawsuits and they weren’t 1/100th as negligent.

                        They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                          When the FBI reads our The Dark or Inappropriate Humor thread

                          They will wonder why nobody called them sooner.

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                          • George KG George K

                            Did he have a history of mental instability, signs of aggression, etc., before his parents bought the pistol?

                            If so, I can see some legal exposure there.

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                            @george-k said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

                            Did he have a history of mental instability, signs of aggression, etc., before his parents bought the pistol?

                            My thoughts as well.

                            Elbows up!

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                              Lawyer Shannon Smith says, "The gun was locked up..."

                              https://www.foxnews.com/us/ethan-crumbley-parents-lawyers-gun-prosecution

                              Attorney Smith also represented Larry Nasser, by the way.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                The fact that she texted “don’t do it” to her son when she heard there was an active shooter speaks volumes.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Crumbley's parents charged with involuntary manslaughter:

                                The fact that she texted “don’t do it” to her son when she heard there was an active shooter speaks volumes.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  I hope this couple aren't somehow turned into victims, or worse, heroes, by people who disagree with their prosecution.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • MikM Away
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                                    Mik
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                                    One might say the same about making them monsters.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      The parents of a Michigan school shooter may face trial after the state Supreme Court on Oct. 3 rejected their appeal.

                                      “We are not persuaded that the question presented should be reviewed by this court,” Supreme Court judges wrote.

                                      https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/10/supreme-court-wont-block-trial-for-parents-of-michigan-school-shooter.html

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                                        Is it China that has the three generation rule?

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                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          I’m of mixed emotions about this…

                                          The Brad

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