The Crowbars of Nordstrom
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wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 13:27 last edited by George K
Happened in another city in California yesterday.
And in Chicago on Saturday.
What's the endgame here?
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Happened in another city in California yesterday.
And in Chicago on Saturday.
What's the endgame here?
wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 14:21 last edited by -
Happened in another city in California yesterday.
And in Chicago on Saturday.
What's the endgame here?
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wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 14:58 last edited by
@aqua-letifer said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
There usually isn't one.
It's a serious question.
What will it take for these incidents to stop? Right now, "security" is prohibited from interfering with shoplifting - just google "Target Store Shoplifting" and you'll see dozens of videos of people just walking out. Ditto Walgreens in SF, if you recall.
An armed guard at the door? Good luck if things go south. Don't want no vigilantes taking matters into their own hands.
Cops? As the saying goes, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
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@aqua-letifer said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
There usually isn't one.
It's a serious question.
What will it take for these incidents to stop? Right now, "security" is prohibited from interfering with shoplifting - just google "Target Store Shoplifting" and you'll see dozens of videos of people just walking out. Ditto Walgreens in SF, if you recall.
An armed guard at the door? Good luck if things go south. Don't want no vigilantes taking matters into their own hands.
Cops? As the saying goes, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 15:12 last edited by@george-k said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
@aqua-letifer said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
There usually isn't one.
It's a serious question.
What will it take for these incidents to stop?
Increase police? How many police officers would it have taken to thwart this incident?
Look, we've already done this many times and in many areas. Income inequality continues to rise, which means crimes like this will, on the whole, get more and more prevalent. There's no greater sociological correlation than between those two.
And we've seen this before, many times. The answer we keep trying, over and over, is to increase police, coupled with private security. We create gilded cages for our aristos until the peasants get big enough in number and then heads literally start to roll. We've never figured this out outside of violent revolution. So yeah, no end game.
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@george-k said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
@aqua-letifer said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
There usually isn't one.
It's a serious question.
What will it take for these incidents to stop?
Increase police? How many police officers would it have taken to thwart this incident?
Look, we've already done this many times and in many areas. Income inequality continues to rise, which means crimes like this will, on the whole, get more and more prevalent. There's no greater sociological correlation than between those two.
And we've seen this before, many times. The answer we keep trying, over and over, is to increase police, coupled with private security. We create gilded cages for our aristos until the peasants get big enough in number and then heads literally start to roll. We've never figured this out outside of violent revolution. So yeah, no end game.
wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 17:02 last edited by Copper@aqua-letifer said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
inequality continues to rise
Maybe the wrong income is being compared
The poorest don't compare well with the wealthiest
Compare the poorest with poverty
That looks like some good progress, the obamapho makes a difference
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@aqua-letifer said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
There usually isn't one.
It's a serious question.
What will it take for these incidents to stop? Right now, "security" is prohibited from interfering with shoplifting - just google "Target Store Shoplifting" and you'll see dozens of videos of people just walking out. Ditto Walgreens in SF, if you recall.
An armed guard at the door? Good luck if things go south. Don't want no vigilantes taking matters into their own hands.
Cops? As the saying goes, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 17:10 last edited by@george-k said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
What will it take for these incidents to stop? Right now, "security" is prohibited from interfering with shoplifting - just google "Target Store Shoplifting" and you'll see dozens of videos of people just walking out. Ditto Walgreens in SF, if you recall.
I have a close person who works in law enforcement. They said you could walk to a (nearby city, I won't disclose) and the police are specifically told NOT to interfere with shoplifters. You could literally watch someone go into a CVS, and walk out with a handful of stolen items, and the police policy is not to deal with it.
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@george-k said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
What will it take for these incidents to stop? Right now, "security" is prohibited from interfering with shoplifting - just google "Target Store Shoplifting" and you'll see dozens of videos of people just walking out. Ditto Walgreens in SF, if you recall.
I have a close person who works in law enforcement. They said you could walk to a (nearby city, I won't disclose) and the police are specifically told NOT to interfere with shoplifters. You could literally watch someone go into a CVS, and walk out with a handful of stolen items, and the police policy is not to deal with it.
wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 17:39 last edited by@89th said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
@george-k said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
What will it take for these incidents to stop? Right now, "security" is prohibited from interfering with shoplifting - just google "Target Store Shoplifting" and you'll see dozens of videos of people just walking out. Ditto Walgreens in SF, if you recall.
I have a close person who works in law enforcement. They said you could walk to a (nearby city, I won't disclose) and the police are specifically told NOT to interfere with shoplifters. You could literally watch someone go into a CVS, and walk out with a handful of stolen items, and the police policy is not to deal with it.
He say why?
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wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 17:51 last edited by
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@89th said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
@george-k said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
What will it take for these incidents to stop? Right now, "security" is prohibited from interfering with shoplifting - just google "Target Store Shoplifting" and you'll see dozens of videos of people just walking out. Ditto Walgreens in SF, if you recall.
I have a close person who works in law enforcement. They said you could walk to a (nearby city, I won't disclose) and the police are specifically told NOT to interfere with shoplifters. You could literally watch someone go into a CVS, and walk out with a handful of stolen items, and the police policy is not to deal with it.
He say why?
wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 18:11 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
@89th said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
@george-k said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
What will it take for these incidents to stop? Right now, "security" is prohibited from interfering with shoplifting - just google "Target Store Shoplifting" and you'll see dozens of videos of people just walking out. Ditto Walgreens in SF, if you recall.
I have a close person who works in law enforcement. They said you could walk to a (nearby city, I won't disclose) and the police are specifically told NOT to interfere with shoplifters. You could literally watch someone go into a CVS, and walk out with a handful of stolen items, and the police policy is not to deal with it.
He say why?
Essentially to avoid a minor confrontation that could lead to a national news story as we have seen so many times now. Better to have minor shoplifting than a city-wide riot.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 18:16 last edited by
No God, no Hope.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@aqua-letifer said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
@89th said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
@george-k said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
What will it take for these incidents to stop? Right now, "security" is prohibited from interfering with shoplifting - just google "Target Store Shoplifting" and you'll see dozens of videos of people just walking out. Ditto Walgreens in SF, if you recall.
I have a close person who works in law enforcement. They said you could walk to a (nearby city, I won't disclose) and the police are specifically told NOT to interfere with shoplifters. You could literally watch someone go into a CVS, and walk out with a handful of stolen items, and the police policy is not to deal with it.
He say why?
Essentially to avoid a minor confrontation that could lead to a national news story as we have seen so many times now. Better to have minor shoplifting than a city-wide riot.
wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 18:36 last edited by@89th said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
Essentially to avoid a minor confrontation that could lead to a national news story as we have seen so many times now. Better to have minor shoplifting than a city-wide riot.
Holy balls what a terrible reason to not do your job. Not saying it's his fault, though; just proof positive that modern liberal shenanigans are eroding our stability.
Please love yourself.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 19:34 last edited by
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wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 19:47 last edited by
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@89th said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
Essentially to avoid a minor confrontation that could lead to a national news story as we have seen so many times now. Better to have minor shoplifting than a city-wide riot.
Holy balls what a terrible reason to not do your job. Not saying it's his fault, though; just proof positive that modern liberal shenanigans are eroding our stability.
wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 19:48 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
@89th said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
Essentially to avoid a minor confrontation that could lead to a national news story as we have seen so many times now. Better to have minor shoplifting than a city-wide riot.
Holy balls what a terrible reason to not do your job. Not saying it's his fault, though; just proof positive that modern liberal shenanigans are eroding our stability.
Amen.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 19:52 last edited by
Yeah we have more than enough tools to deal with the shenanigans of the right. We've gleefully dealt with the Jan 6 dimwits. We do not have a culture capable of dealing with the shenanigans of the left. Both sides are, once again, not equal.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 20:02 last edited by
With no prompting from me, my completely non-political wife is unsettled by all these organized looters in the San Francisco area. It doesn't take a tribalist to be unsettled by our entrenched leftist mob chaos. It takes a tribalist not to be.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2021, 20:13 last edited by
@mik said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
@jolly said in The Crowbars of Nordstrom:
No God, no Hope.
No law and order no hope.
Doesn't take a ton of law and order. Poor people have been around the country since it began. But many could say they were "poor, but proud". There's no hope, there's no pride and it shows...
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wrote on 4 Dec 2021, 13:47 last edited by
Los Angeles police recently arrested 14 suspects in connection with 11 "smash and grab" robberies in the city in late November – but all 14 suspects are back on the street, the city’s police chief says.
The reason? The state of California’s "zero bail" policy, Chief Michel Moore told reporters at a Thursday evening news conference, according to FOX 11 of Los Angeles.
"All the suspects taken into custody are out of custody, either as a result of one juvenile, or the others as a result of bailing out or zero-bail criteria," Moore said.
Liberal Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascon, who backs ending bail for many crimes, insisted that smash-and-grab offenders would be held accountable, The Associated Press reported.
"Our office has been collaborating with multiple law enforcement agencies and once all the evidence has been gathered, we will review the cases to determine what criminal charges should be filed," Alex Bastian, special adviser to Gascón, said in a statement. "These brazen acts hurt all of us: retailers, employees and customers alike."
Back in March, the California Supreme Court ruled that judges in the state must consider a suspect’s ability to pay when setting bail prices – in effect allowing indigent defendants to go free, pending further legal action, unless they are deemed too dangerous, according to the AP.
The court’s decision came despite California voters’ November 2020 rejection of a proposed end to the state’s cash-bail system, the AP reported.
Since then, the ramifications of "zero bail" have come up in numerous cases.
