The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread
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@Mik said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@Jolly said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
- Buffet said he started investing at 11, but wishes he had started investing at 7. I wish I had, too.
US law requires that you be at least 18 years old before you can open a brokerage account.
Easily solved with a UGMA account. My daughter’s been invested since birth.
Much respect and kudos to all parents who start investments for their children early. I was thinking more along the line of actual ownership and self-direction by the young person. A parent doing stuff for you is not the same as you doing stuff yourself, a bit like the “trust fund vs. self-made” difference. Of course, at the end of the day, a dollar from mom and dad will still worth the same as a dollar from one’s own labor on the open market. Just that for this discussion, I am hoping for options that young people can execute on their own. :man-shrugging:
wrote on 13 May 2022, 19:27 last edited by@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@Mik said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@Jolly said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
- Buffet said he started investing at 11, but wishes he had started investing at 7. I wish I had, too.
US law requires that you be at least 18 years old before you can open a brokerage account.
Easily solved with a UGMA account. My daughter’s been invested since birth.
Much respect and kudos to all parents who start investments for their children early. I was thinking more along the line of actual ownership and self-direction by the young person. A parent doing stuff for you is not the same as you doing stuff yourself, a bit like the “trust fund vs. self-made” difference. Of course, at the end of the day, a dollar from mom and dad will still worth the same as a dollar from one’s own labor on the open market. Just that for this discussion, I am hoping for options that young people can execute on their own. :man-shrugging:
Precious metals. If one is willing to forgo the benefits of Roth or traditional 401K's , a child can purchase gold, platinum or silver at any age. That's bullion, coins or jewelry.
Most everything else I know of revolves around an adult overseeing an account for a minor until they turn 18. I'm not sure if a minor becomes emancipated, if that rules still holds.
Other than that, since U.S. law has a problem with minors signing contracts, Mik is right about UGMA/UTMA accounts.
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@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@Mik said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@Jolly said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
- Buffet said he started investing at 11, but wishes he had started investing at 7. I wish I had, too.
US law requires that you be at least 18 years old before you can open a brokerage account.
Easily solved with a UGMA account. My daughter’s been invested since birth.
Much respect and kudos to all parents who start investments for their children early. I was thinking more along the line of actual ownership and self-direction by the young person. A parent doing stuff for you is not the same as you doing stuff yourself, a bit like the “trust fund vs. self-made” difference. Of course, at the end of the day, a dollar from mom and dad will still worth the same as a dollar from one’s own labor on the open market. Just that for this discussion, I am hoping for options that young people can execute on their own. :man-shrugging:
Precious metals. If one is willing to forgo the benefits of Roth or traditional 401K's , a child can purchase gold, platinum or silver at any age. That's bullion, coins or jewelry.
Most everything else I know of revolves around an adult overseeing an account for a minor until they turn 18. I'm not sure if a minor becomes emancipated, if that rules still holds.
Other than that, since U.S. law has a problem with minors signing contracts, Mik is right about UGMA/UTMA accounts.
wrote on 13 May 2022, 21:47 last edited by@Jolly said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Precious metals. If one is willing to forgo the benefits of Roth or traditional 401K's , a child can purchase gold, platinum or silver at any age. That's bullion, coins or jewelry.
OK, those are certainly options that can be executed by the young people themselves. I suppose possession of physical things is generally a practical option, older generations are known to have collected baseball cards, dolls/action figures, comic books, beanie babies, etc. People can argue whether collectibles make good financial investments but there are enough to precedents showing that collectibles have many times been treated as investments. Thanks.
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wrote on 15 May 2022, 03:48 last edited by
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wrote on 18 May 2022, 19:11 last edited by xenon
Eyes are on Tether now - which is another USD stablecoin.
The market cap has decreased by about $10B over the last several days (withdrawals presumably). The worry is that they don't have reserves and are just printing tokens.
If this trend continues (and Tether is indeed a fraud) - it'd be huge. Tether is the largest stablecoin and a huge liquidity provider for the crypto space.
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wrote on 22 May 2022, 15:16 last edited by
My neighbor just posted this. A Bitcoin vending machine in a mini-mart at a gas station in Rhode Island.
I think the installation of this particular machine was the signal to sell.
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wrote on 22 May 2022, 16:23 last edited by
Take me home, Jesus. I've seen it all...
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wrote on 22 May 2022, 19:01 last edited by
Physical bitcoin is just silly. It makes no sense whatsoever.
You can print the private key to get access to the bitcoin onto the coin, but you have no idea whether that private key actually holds any money, whether the amount agrees with what is printed on the coin, or whether the money has already been spent by some transaction.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2022, 14:49 last edited by
(h/t wtg)
Unscrupulous promotion of a new sh!tcoin:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/01/cryptocurrency-tsuka-alex-hern
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wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 15:34 last edited by
Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html
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Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html
wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 17:48 last edited by@xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html
Trying to imagine what a “bank run” would look like when all the “money” is digital. Maybe someday some movie making genius can figure out out to depict a digital “bank run” in motion picture form.
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@xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html
Trying to imagine what a “bank run” would look like when all the “money” is digital. Maybe someday some movie making genius can figure out out to depict a digital “bank run” in motion picture form.
wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 17:53 last edited by@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html
Trying to imagine what a “bank run” would look like when all the “money” is digital. Maybe someday some movie making genius can figure out out to depict a digital “bank run” in motion picture form.
Fiat currencies are only slightly less digital than crypto. In order for a "run" to occur, something physical - fiat currency for instance - has to be in demand. There would be no such thing as a crypto run, only a crash in its value, as the hordes attempt to sell their crypto for fiat currency. Even when they sold it, it wouldn't be for anything physical. Just digital fiat currency.
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@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html
Trying to imagine what a “bank run” would look like when all the “money” is digital. Maybe someday some movie making genius can figure out out to depict a digital “bank run” in motion picture form.
Fiat currencies are only slightly less digital than crypto. In order for a "run" to occur, something physical - fiat currency for instance - has to be in demand. There would be no such thing as a crypto run, only a crash in its value, as the hordes attempt to sell their crypto for fiat currency. Even when they sold it, it wouldn't be for anything physical. Just digital fiat currency.
wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 18:15 last edited by@Horace said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html
Trying to imagine what a “bank run” would look like when all the “money” is digital. Maybe someday some movie making genius can figure out out to depict a digital “bank run” in motion picture form.
Fiat currencies are only slightly less digital than crypto. In order for a "run" to occur, something physical - fiat currency for instance - has to be in demand. There would be no such thing as a crypto run, only a crash in its value, as the hordes attempt to sell their crypto for fiat currency. Even when they sold it, it wouldn't be for anything physical. Just digital fiat currency.
Would make it a good time to buy some of the more stable and larger coins.
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@xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html
Trying to imagine what a “bank run” would look like when all the “money” is digital. Maybe someday some movie making genius can figure out out to depict a digital “bank run” in motion picture form.
wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 00:46 last edited by xenon@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html
Trying to imagine what a “bank run” would look like when all the “money” is digital. Maybe someday some movie making genius can figure out out to depict a digital “bank run” in motion picture form.
The salient fact is "decentral" not "digital". But much of the crypto market isn't decentralized - crypto exchanges (coinbase, tether, etc.) are traditional bank-like centralized entities that take possession of entitlements to coins then loan out the capital. We're having plain old runs on these types of entities that don't have the money in the bank.
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wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 03:09 last edited by
I’ll be buying some bit and eth over the next few weeks and months. Great discount now…in it for the long run.
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wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 15:53 last edited by
Can anyone tell me what produced commodities or services support or sustain the market value of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency?
Elbows up!
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Can anyone tell me what produced commodities or services support or sustain the market value of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency?
wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 16:07 last edited by@Renauda said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Can anyone tell me what produced commodities or services support or sustain the market value of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency?
Same answer for gold
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@Renauda said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Can anyone tell me what produced commodities or services support or sustain the market value of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency?
Same answer for gold
wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 16:12 last edited by@89th said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
@Renauda said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Can anyone tell me what produced commodities or services support or sustain the market value of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency?
Same answer for gold
Or any collectible.
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wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 16:14 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:
Rarely more obvious the precarious extrapolation of “most recent transaction price” to “trade value of all of them”.
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wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 16:15 last edited by
That's right, Bitcoin is the most gold-like (there's no consortium or founding group pushing it, power is too disperse to change the protocol, etc.). To the extent that there's demand for "digital gold", Bitcoin should fill that niche.
Now - the covid stimulus really pumped up the price of Bitcoin. I don't think we'll have anything like that soon. Will mainstream investors lose interest if this thing doesn't show signs of going back to the moon in the next 1-3 years? TBD.
The rest of the crypto space? I see no practical use cases.
