The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

Precious metals. If one is willing to forgo the benefits of Roth or traditional 401K's , a child can purchase gold, platinum or silver at any age. That's bullion, coins or jewelry.

OK, those are certainly options that can be executed by the young people themselves. I suppose possession of physical things is generally a practical option, older generations are known to have collected baseball cards, dolls/action figures, comic books, beanie babies, etc. People can argue whether collectibles make good financial investments but there are enough to precedents showing that collectibles have many times been treated as investments. Thanks.

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly @Mik @Catseye3

I agree with you guys on crypto currency. I don't see the value or understand it.

Jolly, I also agree with you on Bogle. I try (and have try) to follow that advice for a long time. May not become super super rich, but will probably do better than 90% of the investors.

[xenon]

Eyes are on Tether now - which is another USD stablecoin.

The market cap has decreased by about $10B over the last several days (withdrawals presumably). The worry is that they don't have reserves and are just printing tokens.

If this trend continues (and Tether is indeed a fraud) - it'd be huge. Tether is the largest stablecoin and a huge liquidity provider for the crypto space.

[jon-nyc]

My neighbor just posted this. A Bitcoin vending machine in a mini-mart at a gas station in Rhode Island.

I think the installation of this particular machine was the signal to sell.

[Jolly]

Take me home, Jesus. I've seen it all...

[Klaus]

Physical bitcoin is just silly. It makes no sense whatsoever.

You can print the private key to get access to the bitcoin onto the coin, but you have no idea whether that private key actually holds any money, whether the amount agrees with what is printed on the coin, or whether the money has already been spent by some transaction.

[Axtremus]

(h/t wtg)

Unscrupulous promotion of a new sh!tcoin:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/01/cryptocurrency-tsuka-alex-hern

[xenon]

Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html

[Axtremus]

@xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html

Trying to imagine what a “bank run” would look like when all the “money” is digital. Maybe someday some movie making genius can figure out out to depict a digital “bank run” in motion picture form.

[Horace]

@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

@xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html

Trying to imagine what a “bank run” would look like when all the “money” is digital. Maybe someday some movie making genius can figure out out to depict a digital “bank run” in motion picture form.

Fiat currencies are only slightly less digital than crypto. In order for a "run" to occur, something physical - fiat currency for instance - has to be in demand. There would be no such thing as a crypto run, only a crash in its value, as the hordes attempt to sell their crypto for fiat currency. Even when they sold it, it wouldn't be for anything physical. Just digital fiat currency.

[89th]

@Horace said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

@xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html

Trying to imagine what a “bank run” would look like when all the “money” is digital. Maybe someday some movie making genius can figure out out to depict a digital “bank run” in motion picture form.

Fiat currencies are only slightly less digital than crypto. In order for a "run" to occur, something physical - fiat currency for instance - has to be in demand. There would be no such thing as a crypto run, only a crash in its value, as the hordes attempt to sell their crypto for fiat currency. Even when they sold it, it wouldn't be for anything physical. Just digital fiat currency.

Would make it a good time to buy some of the more stable and larger coins.

[xenon]

@Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

@xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

Another one seems to be collapsing today. Celsius has $12B under management. They've halted all withdrawls.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/crypto-lender-celsius-pauses-withdrawals-bitcoin-slides.html

Trying to imagine what a “bank run” would look like when all the “money” is digital. Maybe someday some movie making genius can figure out out to depict a digital “bank run” in motion picture form.

The salient fact is "decentral" not "digital". But much of the crypto market isn't decentralized - crypto exchanges (coinbase, tether, etc.) are traditional bank-like centralized entities that take possession of entitlements to coins then loan out the capital. We're having plain old runs on these types of entities that don't have the money in the bank.

[89th]

I’ll be buying some bit and eth over the next few weeks and months. Great discount now…in it for the long run.

[jon-nyc]

[Renauda]

Can anyone tell me what produced commodities or services support or sustain the market value of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency?

[89th]

@Renauda said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

Can anyone tell me what produced commodities or services support or sustain the market value of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency?

Same answer for gold

[Horace]

@89th said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

@Renauda said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

Can anyone tell me what produced commodities or services support or sustain the market value of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency?

Same answer for gold

Or any collectible.

[Horace]

[xenon]

That's right, Bitcoin is the most gold-like (there's no consortium or founding group pushing it, power is too disperse to change the protocol, etc.). To the extent that there's demand for "digital gold", Bitcoin should fill that niche.

Now - the covid stimulus really pumped up the price of Bitcoin. I don't think we'll have anything like that soon. Will mainstream investors lose interest if this thing doesn't show signs of going back to the moon in the next 1-3 years? TBD.

The rest of the crypto space? I see no practical use cases.

[Horace]

I have zero money in crypto but I agree that Bitcoin is going to be a thing forever. Not so much the rest of them.