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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #153

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      #154

      And there is your mistrial…

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on last edited by
        #155

        https://www.nbc15.com/2021/11/18/msnbc-banned-rittenhouse-trial/

        The Brad

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #156

          Also, a major issue is the low-quality video proffered to the defense, when the state had the original hi-def video.

          Go full screen and look at the difference.

          Why didn't the state give the original video to the defense?

          Link to video

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #157

            Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #158

              By the way, this is a fun live-stream of 9 lawyers talking about the trial:

              Link to video

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • HoraceH Horace

                Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.

                JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #159

                @horace said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.

                Amen.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  https://www.nbc15.com/2021/11/18/msnbc-banned-rittenhouse-trial/

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #160

                  @lufins-dad said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                  https://www.nbc15.com/2021/11/18/msnbc-banned-rittenhouse-trial/

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @horace said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                    Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.

                    Amen.

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                    #161

                    @jolly said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                    @horace said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                    Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.

                    Amen.

                    I believe the judge is waiting to see if the jury gets the verdict right. And if they don't, he will take the heat and declare a mistrial.

                    We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                    Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                    • ImprovisoI Improviso

                      @jolly said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                      @horace said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                      Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.

                      Amen.

                      I believe the judge is waiting to see if the jury gets the verdict right. And if they don't, he will take the heat and declare a mistrial.

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                      @improviso said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                      @jolly said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                      @horace said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
                      

                      Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.

                      Amen.

                      I believe the judge is waiting to see if the jury gets the verdict right. And if they don't, he will take the heat and declare a mistrial.

                      Ask your nearest progressive and they'll tell you that it's super important that our judges be "diverse", by which they mean the indoctrinated, reliable kind of "diverse". A judge who would definitely see this case very differently from this judge.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • ImprovisoI Offline
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                        Improviso
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                        #163

                        And I predict that if the jury comes in with even one guilty verdict, the judge will interview every jurist (probably in chambers) to see if one or more of them felt intimidated to reach the verdict they did, either by the activities outside the courtroom or of their fear as to what could happen in their community if they returned a not guilty verdict, he will declare a mistrial with prejudice.

                        We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                        Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @lufins-dad said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                          https://www.nbc15.com/2021/11/18/msnbc-banned-rittenhouse-trial/

                          JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #164

                          @george-k said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                          @lufins-dad said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                          https://www.nbc15.com/2021/11/18/msnbc-banned-rittenhouse-trial/

                          @george-k said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                          @lufins-dad said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                          https://www.nbc15.com/2021/11/18/msnbc-banned-rittenhouse-trial/

                          Just no.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #165

                            Irene Byon has now 86'd her Twitter and Linked-in accounts.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              89th
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #166

                              Stupid question, but wouldn’t a mistrial at this point be bad for Kyle? Seems the not guilty verdict is imminent.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #167

                                Hung jury is bad for him because they re-try him.

                                Seems just as likely as acquittal given 3 days of deliberation

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  kluurs
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #168

                                  My understanding is that a key point is determining if he provoked the first person who came at him. Supposedly under Wisconsin law if the attack were unprovoked, his use of deadly force to protect himself could be justified. On the other hand, if he taunted or did something to provoke an attack, then he's on the hook for the shooting. The fact that the jury was closely examining the video to determine if he provoked the assault says they're focusing on a significant component of the evidence.

                                  Most of us do some pretty stupid or at least ill-advised things in our teens. This kid is really paying for it.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Hung jury is bad for him because they re-try him.

                                    Seems just as likely as acquittal given 3 days of deliberation

                                    George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #169

                                    @jon-nyc said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                                    Hung jury is bad for him because they re-try him.

                                    Yes.

                                    The big problem with that is $$$$, which, apparently in his case is not a huge problem.

                                    The lawyers who were live-blogging commented that the defense made some MAJOR errors (perhaps even malpractice-level), so his new team (assuming he gets a new team) would learn from those errors and prepare a better defense.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #170

                                      Also, regarding provocation:

                                      The FIRST person to attack Rittenhouse was the "Ziminskies" (sp?). He heard gunshots coming from them, and BInger plans to prosecute them. When he started to run from the sound of gunshots, Rosenbaum chased him and threw something at him. When cornered at the car dealership, he shot Rosenbaum, killing him.

                                      Interestingly (?) the state's evidence of that has cropped the Ziminskies out of the video.

                                      That's prosecutorial misconduct, because it gets rid of the reason for Rittenhouse having the state of mind in which he was at the time.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        @jon-nyc said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                                        Hung jury is bad for him because they re-try him.

                                        Yes.

                                        The big problem with that is $$$$, which, apparently in his case is not a huge problem.

                                        The lawyers who were live-blogging commented that the defense made some MAJOR errors (perhaps even malpractice-level), so his new team (assuming he gets a new team) would learn from those errors and prepare a better defense.

                                        JollyJ Offline
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                                        wrote on last edited by
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                                        @george-k said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                                        @jon-nyc said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:

                                        Hung jury is bad for him because they re-try him.

                                        Yes.

                                        The big problem with that is $$$$, which, apparently in his case is not a huge problem.

                                        The lawyers who were live-blogging commented that the defense made some MAJOR errors (perhaps even malpractice-level), so his new team (assuming he gets a new team) would learn from those errors and prepare a better defense.

                                        I suspect any lawyer makes mistakes or overlooks some things in a trial with this many moving parts.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #172

                                          Joe Concha just said that the MSNBC producer has deleted her (his?) social media accounts.

                                          I'm not saying that there's any guilt there, but maybe there's some feeling of guilt there?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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