The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 17:57 last edited by George K
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 18:02 last edited by
And there is your mistrial…
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 18:07 last edited by
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 18:18 last edited by
Also, a major issue is the low-quality video proffered to the defense, when the state had the original hi-def video.
Go full screen and look at the difference.
Why didn't the state give the original video to the defense?
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 18:24 last edited by
Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 18:31 last edited by
By the way, this is a fun live-stream of 9 lawyers talking about the trial:
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Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.
wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 18:51 last edited by@horace said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.
Amen.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 18:56 last edited by
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@horace said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.
Amen.
wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 19:51 last edited by@jolly said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
@horace said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.
Amen.
I believe the judge is waiting to see if the jury gets the verdict right. And if they don't, he will take the heat and declare a mistrial.
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@jolly said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
@horace said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.
Amen.
I believe the judge is waiting to see if the jury gets the verdict right. And if they don't, he will take the heat and declare a mistrial.
wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 20:01 last edited by@improviso said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
@jolly said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
@horace said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:Dismiss with prejudice, let the idiots riot, and let the masses of indoctrinated idiots ignore the riots.
Amen.
I believe the judge is waiting to see if the jury gets the verdict right. And if they don't, he will take the heat and declare a mistrial.
Ask your nearest progressive and they'll tell you that it's super important that our judges be "diverse", by which they mean the indoctrinated, reliable kind of "diverse". A judge who would definitely see this case very differently from this judge.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 20:04 last edited by
And I predict that if the jury comes in with even one guilty verdict, the judge will interview every jurist (probably in chambers) to see if one or more of them felt intimidated to reach the verdict they did, either by the activities outside the courtroom or of their fear as to what could happen in their community if they returned a not guilty verdict, he will declare a mistrial with prejudice.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 20:19 last edited by
@george-k said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
@lufins-dad said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
https://www.nbc15.com/2021/11/18/msnbc-banned-rittenhouse-trial/
@george-k said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
@lufins-dad said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
https://www.nbc15.com/2021/11/18/msnbc-banned-rittenhouse-trial/
Just no.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 20:33 last edited by
Irene Byon has now 86'd her Twitter and Linked-in accounts.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 21:38 last edited by
Stupid question, but wouldn’t a mistrial at this point be bad for Kyle? Seems the not guilty verdict is imminent.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 21:51 last edited by jon-nyc
Hung jury is bad for him because they re-try him.
Seems just as likely as acquittal given 3 days of deliberation
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 22:15 last edited by
My understanding is that a key point is determining if he provoked the first person who came at him. Supposedly under Wisconsin law if the attack were unprovoked, his use of deadly force to protect himself could be justified. On the other hand, if he taunted or did something to provoke an attack, then he's on the hook for the shooting. The fact that the jury was closely examining the video to determine if he provoked the assault says they're focusing on a significant component of the evidence.
Most of us do some pretty stupid or at least ill-advised things in our teens. This kid is really paying for it.
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Hung jury is bad for him because they re-try him.
Seems just as likely as acquittal given 3 days of deliberation
wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 22:53 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
Hung jury is bad for him because they re-try him.
Yes.
The big problem with that is $$$$, which, apparently in his case is not a huge problem.
The lawyers who were live-blogging commented that the defense made some MAJOR errors (perhaps even malpractice-level), so his new team (assuming he gets a new team) would learn from those errors and prepare a better defense.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2021, 22:59 last edited by
Also, regarding provocation:
The FIRST person to attack Rittenhouse was the "Ziminskies" (sp?). He heard gunshots coming from them, and BInger plans to prosecute them. When he started to run from the sound of gunshots, Rosenbaum chased him and threw something at him. When cornered at the car dealership, he shot Rosenbaum, killing him.
Interestingly (?) the state's evidence of that has cropped the Ziminskies out of the video.
That's prosecutorial misconduct, because it gets rid of the reason for Rittenhouse having the state of mind in which he was at the time.
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@jon-nyc said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
Hung jury is bad for him because they re-try him.
Yes.
The big problem with that is $$$$, which, apparently in his case is not a huge problem.
The lawyers who were live-blogging commented that the defense made some MAJOR errors (perhaps even malpractice-level), so his new team (assuming he gets a new team) would learn from those errors and prepare a better defense.
wrote on 19 Nov 2021, 00:53 last edited by@george-k said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
@jon-nyc said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
Hung jury is bad for him because they re-try him.
Yes.
The big problem with that is $$$$, which, apparently in his case is not a huge problem.
The lawyers who were live-blogging commented that the defense made some MAJOR errors (perhaps even malpractice-level), so his new team (assuming he gets a new team) would learn from those errors and prepare a better defense.
I suspect any lawyer makes mistakes or overlooks some things in a trial with this many moving parts.
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wrote on 19 Nov 2021, 02:17 last edited by
Joe Concha just said that the MSNBC producer has deleted her (his?) social media accounts.
I'm not saying that there's any guilt there, but maybe there's some feeling of guilt there?