Nah, ain’t about politics at all
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wrote on 30 Oct 2021, 01:44 last edited by
How many here have had COVID?
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wrote on 5 Nov 2021, 13:27 last edited by
@jolly said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
How many here have had COVID?
I have
But I still follow the rules
Because science
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wrote on 5 Nov 2021, 13:55 last edited by
That's funny.
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@bachophile I don't think it's necessarily mistrust of government. It's a cultural signal to be anti-vax. Some people are getting vaxxed in secret so their family and friends don't know.
It's a similar phenomenon to virtue signaling.
wrote on 5 Nov 2021, 14:55 last edited by@xenon said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
@bachophile I don't think it's necessarily mistrust of government. It's a cultural signal to be anti-vax. Some people are getting vaxxed in secret so their family and friends don't know.
It's a similar phenomenon to virtue signaling.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is vaccination going on behind the backs of family and friends. I wish more would.
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@xenon said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
@bachophile I don't think it's necessarily mistrust of government. It's a cultural signal to be anti-vax. Some people are getting vaxxed in secret so their family and friends don't know.
It's a similar phenomenon to virtue signaling.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is vaccination going on behind the backs of family and friends. I wish more would.
wrote on 6 Nov 2021, 02:47 last edited by@brenda I think you are right.
When people are asked if they will get vaccinated (for job reasons, etc), there is a relatively "high" percent that say they would never do it.
For example, one US medical group workers said that 20% or so would not get vaccinated.
However, when final results were in, the un-vaccinated were less than a couple %.
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wrote on 6 Nov 2021, 09:58 last edited by
At the end of the day, people have to eat and pay the rent.
They may get vaxxed, but it leaves a nice, slow burn in place...
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wrote on 6 Nov 2021, 14:00 last edited by
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/health/vaccine-misinformation-consequences/index.html
"Strong Conservative", after survived hospitalization with COVID-19, decides to get vaccinated, but is losing friends over it.
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wrote on 6 Nov 2021, 14:11 last edited by
Wonder how long they had to hunt for that story...
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wrote on 6 Nov 2021, 14:15 last edited by
@jolly
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2784480lots of them out there....
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wrote on 6 Nov 2021, 14:17 last edited by
Well, duh.
This cohort study found that COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy is not a stable trait precluding vaccination but, instead, is labile.
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At the end of the day, people have to eat and pay the rent.
They may get vaxxed, but it leaves a nice, slow burn in place...
wrote on 7 Nov 2021, 01:08 last edited by@jolly said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
At the end of the day, people have to eat and pay the rent.
They may get vaxxed, but it leaves a nice, slow burn in place...
As part of living in a civilized society, EVERYBODY has to put aside some of their personal preferences and beliefs.
You may be right, but if vaccine or testing requirements remain, I doubt it will bother people for too long. People have pretty short memories.
I remember when smoking bans were first put in place in Taiwan (and Taiwan had a pretty bad smoking culture). People against the smoking bans had the same passion as many people show against vaccines.
One year, two years after the ban were placed, there were no words of protest against it.
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wrote on 7 Nov 2021, 01:15 last edited by
America ain't Taiwan.
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wrote on 7 Nov 2021, 01:38 last edited by
Maybe I am not making you understand me.I think it applies to any country.
Want to get on an airplane? have to go through an x-ray machine.
But I think that X-rays machines are sucking the soul from my body. I cannot agree.
Okay. Than you can't fly.
My kids will be starting school next year.
Okay, you need immunization X, Y, Z
But I dont believe in those.
Okay, you cannot go to a public school.
Wearing clothes is like wearing a mask. An infringement on my rights.
Okay, but you are no longer allowed to go out in public.
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Maybe I am not making you understand me.I think it applies to any country.
Want to get on an airplane? have to go through an x-ray machine.
But I think that X-rays machines are sucking the soul from my body. I cannot agree.
Okay. Than you can't fly.
My kids will be starting school next year.
Okay, you need immunization X, Y, Z
But I dont believe in those.
Okay, you cannot go to a public school.
Wearing clothes is like wearing a mask. An infringement on my rights.
Okay, but you are no longer allowed to go out in public.
wrote on 7 Nov 2021, 01:50 last edited by Copper 11 Jul 2021, 11:43What exactly is being protected?
I mean exactly, without question.
That is unknown.
The question is not, what is the law? I don't think the mandate is actually a law.
The question is why?
The answer is just not very well defined.
I think we can all agree with, shut up. But there is an element of doubt.
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wrote on 7 Nov 2021, 10:59 last edited by
You're mandating a vaccine that does not prevent infection from the disease you may possibly be infected by. It also does not prevent you from transmitting that disease to others, whether they have been vaccinated or not.
So, why the mandate? And if the mandate is so effective, why limit it to only companies with over 100 employees?
I certainly can see government trying to persuade people to take the COVID vaccine. I can understand insurance companies raising rates on the unvaccinated.
But the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in the traditional sense of the word, and the approach of public health should reflect that.
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… People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
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In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth. …
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Recent polling shows that partisanship is now this single strongest identifying predictor of whether someone is vaccinated.
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… the rate of Republican vaccination against COVID-19 has flatlined at just 59%, according to the latest numbers from Kaiser. By comparison, 91% of Democrats are vaccinated. … -
… People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
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In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth. …
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Recent polling shows that partisanship is now this single strongest identifying predictor of whether someone is vaccinated.
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… the rate of Republican vaccination against COVID-19 has flatlined at just 59%, according to the latest numbers from Kaiser. By comparison, 91% of Democrats are vaccinated. …wrote on 7 Dec 2021, 02:48 last edited by Aqua Letifer 12 Jul 2021, 02:50@axtremus said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
… People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
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In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth. …
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Recent polling shows that partisanship is now this single strongest identifying predictor of whether someone is vaccinated.
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… the rate of Republican vaccination against COVID-19 has flatlined at just 59%, according to the latest numbers from Kaiser. By comparison, 91% of Democrats are vaccinated. …Ice cream sales and murder rates.
(For @George-K and other latin nerds, post hoc, ergo propter hoc. )
