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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    https://beckernews.com/33-new-internal-police-documents-on-ashli-babbitt-shooting-released-no-good-reason-for-shooting-judicial-watch-president-says-42527/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      George K
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      @jolly said in No Good Reason:

      https://beckernews.com/33-new-internal-police-documents-on-ashli-babbitt-shooting-released-no-good-reason-for-shooting-judicial-watch-president-says-42527/

      "No good reason" are Fitton's words, not the words in the report, from what I can tell.

      You can read the documents here:

      I've been told that Byrd was doing God's work.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        George K
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        No interview

        When U.S. Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd went on “NBC Nightly News” to tell his side of shooting and killing unarmed Jan. 6 rioter Ashli Babbitt, he made a point to note he’d been investigated by several agencies and exonerated for his actions that day.

        “There’s an investigative process [and] I was cleared by the DOJ [Department of Justice], and FBI and [the D.C.] Metropolitan Police,” he told NBC News anchor Lester Holt in August, adding that the Capitol Police also cleared him of wrongdoing and decided not to discipline or demote him for the shooting.

        Byrd then answered a series of questions by Holt about the shooting, but what he told the friendly journalist, he likely never told investigators. That’s because he refused to answer their questions, according to several sources and documents reviewed by RealClearInvestigations.

        In fact, investigators cleared Byrd of wrongdoing in the shooting without actually interviewing him about the shooting or threatening him with punishment if he did not cooperate with their criminal investigation.

        “He didn’t provide any statement to [criminal] investigators and they didn’t push him to make a statement,” Babbitt family attorney Terry Roberts said in an RCI interview. “It’s astonishing how skimpy his investigative file is."

        Roberts, who has spoken with the D.C. MPD detective assigned to the case, said the kid-glove treatment of Byrd raises suspicions the investigation was a “whitewash.”

        The lawyer's account appears to be backed up by a January 2021 internal affairs report, which notes Byrd "declined to provide a statement,” D.C. MPD documents show.

        Asked about it, a D.C. MPD spokeswoman confirmed that Byrd did not cooperate with internal affairs agents or FBI agents, who jointly investigated what was one of the most high-profile officer-involved shooting cases in U.S. history.

        “MPD did not formally interview Lt. Byrd,” deputy D.C. MPD communications director Kristen Metzger said. And, “He didn’t give a statement while under the U.S. Attorney’s Office investigation.”

        Now, I don't know what the procedure here is supposed to be, but I'd wager a lot of money that there are few, if any, jurisdictions in which a police-related shooting does not involve an interview with the cop who did the shooting.

        And he refused declined to be interviewed in internal affairs.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • CopperC Offline
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          Copper
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          Picking the right target at the right time is important.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            Inestigation?

            MAGA vermin don't need no steenkin' investigations! :male-detective: :male-detective:

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              Inestigation?

              MAGA vermin don't need no steenkin' investigations! :male-detective: :male-detective:

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              George K
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              #6

              @jolly in what other universe do cops shoot into a crowd without warning, and then not explain why they did it?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Jolly
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                #7

                None that I know of.

                In fact, anytime an officer discharges his weapon, there is an investigation.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  None that I know of.

                  In fact, anytime an officer discharges his weapon, there is an investigation.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                  In fact, anytime an officer discharges his weapon, there is an investigation.

                  Yeah, how about that.

                  But, as I've read, he was doing God's work, so that's probably irrelevant.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    #9

                    Six million Jews heard the same thing.

                    It's a damn poor excuse.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      Inestigation?

                      MAGA vermin don't need no steenkin' investigations! :male-detective: :male-detective:

                      jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
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                      @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                      Inestigation?

                      MAGAT vermin don't need no steenkin' investigations! :male-detective: :male-detective:

                      Fixed it for ya.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
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                        #11

                        Rapidly landing on the wrong side of this one, lad.

                        You can thank this guy and his party:
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                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          Her death was a tragedy. Largely of her own making, sadly.

                          Isn't anybody else amazed that more weren't killed? Imagine if that bunch of clueless yobs had tried that at the Whitehouse.

                          I was only joking

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                            @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                            Six million Jews heard the same thing.
                            It's a damn poor excuse.

                            Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

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                              Doctor Phibes
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                              Where's that Godwin bloke when you need him?

                              I was only joking

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                              • 89th8 89th

                                @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                                Six million Jews heard the same thing.
                                It's a damn poor excuse.

                                Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

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                                @89th said in No Good Reason:

                                @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                                Six million Jews heard the same thing.
                                It's a damn poor excuse.

                                Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

                                The officer fired at her, in a crowd and part of the crowd contained fellow officers. Anybody who would do so, when their life was not in imminent peril is a moron. Bullets do not automatically stop before exiting the bad guy. He's damn lucky he didn't kill a cop.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  If the victim was a gay Haitian the police officer would be in jail.

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @89th said in No Good Reason:

                                    @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                                    Six million Jews heard the same thing.
                                    It's a damn poor excuse.

                                    Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

                                    The officer fired at her, in a crowd and part of the crowd contained fellow officers. Anybody who would do so, when their life was not in imminent peril is a moron. Bullets do not automatically stop before exiting the bad guy. He's damn lucky he didn't kill a cop.

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                                    @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                                    The officer fired at her, in a crowd and part of the crowd contained fellow officers. Anybody who would do so, when their life was not in imminent peril is a moron. Bullets do not automatically stop before exiting the bad guy. He's damn lucky he didn't kill a cop.

                                    The first part of that is completely false.

                                    The police had barricaded the doors/windows with chairs. It was their last stand. The officer fired a single shot at a single person, who was the only person sticking through the broken window on the officer's side of the barricade.

                                    He didn't "shoot at her in a crowd".

                                    I do agree it is fortunate his bullet didn't continue further and ricochet off the wall.

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                                      Jolly
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                                      #18

                                      Which side of the wall was Ashli on?

                                      This is not a crowd?

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                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Jolly
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                                        Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                          Her death was a tragedy. Largely of her own making, sadly.

                                          Isn't anybody else amazed that more weren't killed? Imagine if that bunch of clueless yobs had tried that at the Whitehouse.

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                                          @doctor-phibes said in No Good Reason:

                                          Imagine if that bunch of clueless yobs had tried that at the Whitehouse.

                                          The liberal media would be glorifying them as saviors of democracy.

                                          We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                                          Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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