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  • J Jolly
    11 Jan 2022, 22:09

    None that I know of.

    In fact, anytime an officer discharges his weapon, there is an investigation.

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    George K
    wrote on 11 Jan 2022, 22:12 last edited by
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    @jolly said in No Good Reason:

    In fact, anytime an officer discharges his weapon, there is an investigation.

    Yeah, how about that.

    But, as I've read, he was doing God's work, so that's probably irrelevant.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 11 Jan 2022, 22:15 last edited by
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      Six million Jews heard the same thing.

      It's a damn poor excuse.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • J Jolly
        11 Jan 2022, 22:00

        Inestigation?

        MAGA vermin don't need no steenkin' investigations! :male-detective: :male-detective:

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 12:22 last edited by
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        @jolly said in No Good Reason:

        Inestigation?

        MAGAT vermin don't need no steenkin' investigations! :male-detective: :male-detective:

        Fixed it for ya.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 13:15 last edited by
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          Rapidly landing on the wrong side of this one, lad.

          You can thank this guy and his party:
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          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 13:17 last edited by
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            Her death was a tragedy. Largely of her own making, sadly.

            Isn't anybody else amazed that more weren't killed? Imagine if that bunch of clueless yobs had tried that at the Whitehouse.

            I was only joking

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              89th
              wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 13:24 last edited by
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              @jolly said in No Good Reason:

              Six million Jews heard the same thing.
              It's a damn poor excuse.

              Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 13:28 last edited by
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                Where's that Godwin bloke when you need him?

                I was only joking

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                • 8 89th
                  12 Jan 2022, 13:24

                  @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                  Six million Jews heard the same thing.
                  It's a damn poor excuse.

                  Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 13:43 last edited by
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                  @89th said in No Good Reason:

                  @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                  Six million Jews heard the same thing.
                  It's a damn poor excuse.

                  Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

                  The officer fired at her, in a crowd and part of the crowd contained fellow officers. Anybody who would do so, when their life was not in imminent peril is a moron. Bullets do not automatically stop before exiting the bad guy. He's damn lucky he didn't kill a cop.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Copper
                    wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 14:14 last edited by
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                    If the victim was a gay Haitian the police officer would be in jail.

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                    • J Jolly
                      12 Jan 2022, 13:43

                      @89th said in No Good Reason:

                      @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                      Six million Jews heard the same thing.
                      It's a damn poor excuse.

                      Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

                      The officer fired at her, in a crowd and part of the crowd contained fellow officers. Anybody who would do so, when their life was not in imminent peril is a moron. Bullets do not automatically stop before exiting the bad guy. He's damn lucky he didn't kill a cop.

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                      89th
                      wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 14:21 last edited by
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                      @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                      The officer fired at her, in a crowd and part of the crowd contained fellow officers. Anybody who would do so, when their life was not in imminent peril is a moron. Bullets do not automatically stop before exiting the bad guy. He's damn lucky he didn't kill a cop.

                      The first part of that is completely false.

                      The police had barricaded the doors/windows with chairs. It was their last stand. The officer fired a single shot at a single person, who was the only person sticking through the broken window on the officer's side of the barricade.

                      He didn't "shoot at her in a crowd".

                      I do agree it is fortunate his bullet didn't continue further and ricochet off the wall.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 14:30 last edited by Jolly 1 Dec 2022, 14:32
                        #18

                        Which side of the wall was Ashli on?

                        This is not a crowd?

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                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 14:36 last edited by
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                          Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • D Doctor Phibes
                            12 Jan 2022, 13:17

                            Her death was a tragedy. Largely of her own making, sadly.

                            Isn't anybody else amazed that more weren't killed? Imagine if that bunch of clueless yobs had tried that at the Whitehouse.

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                            Improviso
                            wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 14:54 last edited by
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                            @doctor-phibes said in No Good Reason:

                            Imagine if that bunch of clueless yobs had tried that at the Whitehouse.

                            The liberal media would be glorifying them as saviors of democracy.

                            We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                            Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                              89th
                              wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 15:00 last edited by
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                              @Jolly I presume you just hadn't seen these videos yet? Here's a screenshot (and link) of 4 synchronized videos.

                              This is at the moment of the shooting. To answer your other question, the cop who fired the single shot waited until someone breached and was on the other side of the barricade.

                              • Top left: Shows her standing on the window frame leaning inward.
                              • Bottom left: Best view, IMO, shows the officer on the left as he fires, and Babbitt on the right (orange circle) which is on the OTHER side of the barricade (the officer's side)

                              From the officer's angle, there were no other humans in his line of sight. He also had been aiming for a few seconds and was only 4 feet away.

                              So no, he wasn't "shooting at her in a crowd". That is misleading and fuels the misinformation that plagues the internet these days.

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                              • J Jolly
                                12 Jan 2022, 14:36

                                Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

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                                Aqua Letifer
                                wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 15:05 last edited by
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                                @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                                Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

                                My question for you is why are you glorifying these people?

                                Please love yourself.

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                                • A Aqua Letifer
                                  12 Jan 2022, 15:05

                                  @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                                  Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

                                  My question for you is why are you glorifying these people?

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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 15:11 last edited by
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                                  @aqua-letifer said in No Good Reason:

                                  @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                                  Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

                                  My question for you is why are you glorifying these people?

                                  This story could go either way.

                                  Ms. Babbitt could become a hero similar to Crispus Attucks.

                                  The story is similar, it just needs to age for a while.

                                  Or she could fade into the sands of time.

                                  Either way, for some people her glory is just as real as Mr. Attucks'.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 15:14 last edited by
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                                    Lad, when you fire a bullet into a human, it doesn't always travel in a straight line. Especially non-frangible hollowpoints, which is what he was carrying. There is definitely danger of a pass-through or a ricochet.

                                    Secondly, is leaning in, considered breached? Was the officer or those under his protection in imminent peril?

                                    Third, the officer pulled his weapon and as you have admitted, aimed for four seconds. I didn't hear, but did he issue any verbal commands?

                                    Fourth, there were other armed officers on his side of the wall. Why didn't they defend the wall and shoot some of the other rioters?

                                    Fifth, are you aware this officer already had a documented problem with handling his weapon?

                                    Sixth, why wasn't the officer interviewed after the shooting? That's standard practice in any law enforcement shooting.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • A Aqua Letifer
                                      12 Jan 2022, 15:05

                                      @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                                      Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

                                      My question for you is why are you glorifying these people?

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 15:15 last edited by
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                                      @aqua-letifer said in No Good Reason:

                                      @jolly said in No Good Reason:

                                      Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

                                      My question for you is why are you glorifying these people?

                                      Is Justice blind? Or just convenient?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 15:17 last edited by
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                                        I think the standard response when people are shot by the police is "You know, if only they'd done what they were told and acted respectfully, none of this would have happened".

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • D Doctor Phibes
                                          12 Jan 2022, 15:17

                                          I think the standard response when people are shot by the police is "You know, if only they'd done what they were told and acted respectfully, none of this would have happened".

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 12 Jan 2022, 15:19 last edited by
                                          #27

                                          @doctor-phibes said in No Good Reason:

                                          I think the standard response when people are shot by the police is "You know, if only they'd done what they were told and acted respectfully, none of this would have happened".

                                          You have a point.

                                          But, let's apply that standard evenly. Secondly, let us investigate each and every police shooting in a like manner.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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