No Good Reason

[Jolly]

Inestigation?

MAGA vermin don't need no steenkin' investigations! :male-detective: :male-detective:

[George K]

@jolly in what other universe do cops shoot into a crowd without warning, and then not explain why they did it?

[Jolly]

None that I know of.

In fact, anytime an officer discharges his weapon, there is an investigation.

[George K]

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

In fact, anytime an officer discharges his weapon, there is an investigation.

Yeah, how about that.

But, as I've read, he was doing God's work, so that's probably irrelevant.

[Jolly]

Six million Jews heard the same thing.

It's a damn poor excuse.

[jon-nyc]

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

Inestigation?

MAGAT vermin don't need no steenkin' investigations! :male-detective: :male-detective:

Fixed it for ya.

[Jolly]

Rapidly landing on the wrong side of this one, lad.

You can thank this guy and his party:

[Doctor Phibes]

Her death was a tragedy. Largely of her own making, sadly.

Isn't anybody else amazed that more weren't killed? Imagine if that bunch of clueless yobs had tried that at the Whitehouse.

[89th]

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

Six million Jews heard the same thing.
It's a damn poor excuse.

Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

[Doctor Phibes]

Where's that Godwin bloke when you need him?

[Jolly]

@89th said in No Good Reason:

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

Six million Jews heard the same thing.
It's a damn poor excuse.

Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

The officer fired at her, in a crowd and part of the crowd contained fellow officers. Anybody who would do so, when their life was not in imminent peril is a moron. Bullets do not automatically stop before exiting the bad guy. He's damn lucky he didn't kill a cop.

[Copper]

If the victim was a gay Haitian the police officer would be in jail.

[89th]

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

The officer fired at her, in a crowd and part of the crowd contained fellow officers. Anybody who would do so, when their life was not in imminent peril is a moron. Bullets do not automatically stop before exiting the bad guy. He's damn lucky he didn't kill a cop.

The first part of that is completely false.

The police had barricaded the doors/windows with chairs. It was their last stand. The officer fired a single shot at a single person, who was the only person sticking through the broken window on the officer's side of the barricade.

He didn't "shoot at her in a crowd".

I do agree it is fortunate his bullet didn't continue further and ricochet off the wall.

[Jolly]

Which side of the wall was Ashli on?

This is not a crowd?

[Jolly]

Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

[Improviso]

@doctor-phibes said in No Good Reason:

Imagine if that bunch of clueless yobs had tried that at the Whitehouse.

The liberal media would be glorifying them as saviors of democracy.

[89th]

@Jolly I presume you just hadn't seen these videos yet? Here's a screenshot (and link) of 4 synchronized videos.

This is at the moment of the shooting. To answer your other question, the cop who fired the single shot waited until someone breached and was on the other side of the barricade.

• Top left: Shows her standing on the window frame leaning inward.
• Bottom left: Best view, IMO, shows the officer on the left as he fires, and Babbitt on the right (orange circle) which is on the OTHER side of the barricade (the officer's side)

From the officer's angle, there were no other humans in his line of sight. He also had been aiming for a few seconds and was only 4 feet away.

So no, he wasn't "shooting at her in a crowd". That is misleading and fuels the misinformation that plagues the internet these days.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

My question for you is why are you glorifying these people?

[Copper]

@aqua-letifer said in No Good Reason:

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

My question for you is why are you glorifying these people?

This story could go either way.

Ms. Babbitt could become a hero similar to Crispus Attucks.

The story is similar, it just needs to age for a while.

Or she could fade into the sands of time.

Either way, for some people her glory is just as real as Mr. Attucks'.

[Jolly]

Lad, when you fire a bullet into a human, it doesn't always travel in a straight line. Especially non-frangible hollowpoints, which is what he was carrying. There is definitely danger of a pass-through or a ricochet.

Secondly, is leaning in, considered breached? Was the officer or those under his protection in imminent peril?

Third, the officer pulled his weapon and as you have admitted, aimed for four seconds. I didn't hear, but did he issue any verbal commands?

Fourth, there were other armed officers on his side of the wall. Why didn't they defend the wall and shoot some of the other rioters?

Fifth, are you aware this officer already had a documented problem with handling his weapon?

Sixth, why wasn't the officer interviewed after the shooting? That's standard practice in any law enforcement shooting.