No Good Reason

[George K]

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

https://beckernews.com/33-new-internal-police-documents-on-ashli-babbitt-shooting-released-no-good-reason-for-shooting-judicial-watch-president-says-42527/

"No good reason" are Fitton's words, not the words in the report, from what I can tell.

You can read the documents here:

I've been told that Byrd was doing God's work.

[George K]

No interview

When U.S. Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd went on “NBC Nightly News” to tell his side of shooting and killing unarmed Jan. 6 rioter Ashli Babbitt, he made a point to note he’d been investigated by several agencies and exonerated for his actions that day.

“There’s an investigative process [and] I was cleared by the DOJ [Department of Justice], and FBI and [the D.C.] Metropolitan Police,” he told NBC News anchor Lester Holt in August, adding that the Capitol Police also cleared him of wrongdoing and decided not to discipline or demote him for the shooting.

Byrd then answered a series of questions by Holt about the shooting, but what he told the friendly journalist, he likely never told investigators. That’s because he refused to answer their questions, according to several sources and documents reviewed by RealClearInvestigations.

In fact, investigators cleared Byrd of wrongdoing in the shooting without actually interviewing him about the shooting or threatening him with punishment if he did not cooperate with their criminal investigation.

“He didn’t provide any statement to [criminal] investigators and they didn’t push him to make a statement,” Babbitt family attorney Terry Roberts said in an RCI interview. “It’s astonishing how skimpy his investigative file is."

Roberts, who has spoken with the D.C. MPD detective assigned to the case, said the kid-glove treatment of Byrd raises suspicions the investigation was a “whitewash.”

The lawyer's account appears to be backed up by a January 2021 internal affairs report, which notes Byrd "declined to provide a statement,” D.C. MPD documents show.

Asked about it, a D.C. MPD spokeswoman confirmed that Byrd did not cooperate with internal affairs agents or FBI agents, who jointly investigated what was one of the most high-profile officer-involved shooting cases in U.S. history.

“MPD did not formally interview Lt. Byrd,” deputy D.C. MPD communications director Kristen Metzger said. And, “He didn’t give a statement while under the U.S. Attorney’s Office investigation.”

Now, I don't know what the procedure here is supposed to be, but I'd wager a lot of money that there are few, if any, jurisdictions in which a police-related shooting does not involve an interview with the cop who did the shooting.

And he refused declined to be interviewed in internal affairs.

[Copper]

Picking the right target at the right time is important.

[Jolly]

Inestigation?

MAGA vermin don't need no steenkin' investigations!

[George K]

@jolly in what other universe do cops shoot into a crowd without warning, and then not explain why they did it?

[Jolly]

None that I know of.

In fact, anytime an officer discharges his weapon, there is an investigation.

[George K]

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

In fact, anytime an officer discharges his weapon, there is an investigation.

Yeah, how about that.

But, as I've read, he was doing God's work, so that's probably irrelevant.

[Jolly]

Six million Jews heard the same thing.

It's a damn poor excuse.

[jon-nyc]

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

Inestigation?

MAGAT vermin don't need no steenkin' investigations!

Fixed it for ya.

[Jolly]

Rapidly landing on the wrong side of this one, lad.

You can thank this guy and his party:

[Doctor Phibes]

Her death was a tragedy. Largely of her own making, sadly.

Isn't anybody else amazed that more weren't killed? Imagine if that bunch of clueless yobs had tried that at the Whitehouse.

[89th]

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

Six million Jews heard the same thing.
It's a damn poor excuse.

Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

[Doctor Phibes]

Where's that Godwin bloke when you need him?

[Jolly]

@89th said in No Good Reason:

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

Six million Jews heard the same thing.
It's a damn poor excuse.

Hasn't this been discussed thoroughly here? The officer didn't fire randomly into a crowd, the officer fired at the first person to breach through the last threshold between a very large mob (with rumors of weapons) and the congress the officers were in charge of defending. It worked, and was a tragedy, but it worked to stop the invasion.

The officer fired at her, in a crowd and part of the crowd contained fellow officers. Anybody who would do so, when their life was not in imminent peril is a moron. Bullets do not automatically stop before exiting the bad guy. He's damn lucky he didn't kill a cop.

[Copper]

If the victim was a gay Haitian the police officer would be in jail.

[89th]

@jolly said in No Good Reason:

The officer fired at her, in a crowd and part of the crowd contained fellow officers. Anybody who would do so, when their life was not in imminent peril is a moron. Bullets do not automatically stop before exiting the bad guy. He's damn lucky he didn't kill a cop.

The first part of that is completely false.

The police had barricaded the doors/windows with chairs. It was their last stand. The officer fired a single shot at a single person, who was the only person sticking through the broken window on the officer's side of the barricade.

He didn't "shoot at her in a crowd".

I do agree it is fortunate his bullet didn't continue further and ricochet off the wall.

[Jolly]

Which side of the wall was Ashli on?

This is not a crowd?

[Jolly]

Another question: Why weren't the officers on her side of the wall not using their weapons? Why were these the only shots fired?

[Improviso]

@doctor-phibes said in No Good Reason:

Imagine if that bunch of clueless yobs had tried that at the Whitehouse.

The liberal media would be glorifying them as saviors of democracy.

[89th]

@Jolly I presume you just hadn't seen these videos yet? Here's a screenshot (and link) of 4 synchronized videos.

This is at the moment of the shooting. To answer your other question, the cop who fired the single shot waited until someone breached and was on the other side of the barricade.

• Top left: Shows her standing on the window frame leaning inward.
• Bottom left: Best view, IMO, shows the officer on the left as he fires, and Babbitt on the right (orange circle) which is on the OTHER side of the barricade (the officer's side)

From the officer's angle, there were no other humans in his line of sight. He also had been aiming for a few seconds and was only 4 feet away.

So no, he wasn't "shooting at her in a crowd". That is misleading and fuels the misinformation that plagues the internet these days.