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The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.

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  • HoraceH Horace

    It wasn't sarcastic, he genuinely lacked the political courage to implore people to wear masks. He clearly wants that but his political calculus had him swinging away at the straw man about people who hate others for wearing masks. Who I imagine don't much exist.

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    @Horace said in The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.:

    It wasn't sarcastic, he genuinely lacked the political courage to implore people to wear masks. He clearly wants that but his political calculus had him swinging away at the straw man about people who hate others for wearing masks. Who I imagine don't much exist.

    Or maybe they’ve been imploring mask usage for weeks and now he’s trying to fight an ossifying stigma against usage within a particular political tribe.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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      Well I am definitely with the governor in his stance against those who want to hate or shame mask wearers. Meanwhile everybody is wearing a mask wherever I go around here, so as usual I am at a loss to personally identify with these political subcultures we discuss so often online. I do understand having a principled reaction against being required by law to wear a mask, though, and can identify with that. Shaming/hating people for wearing masks? Nope, don't really think it's a thing.

      Education is extremely important.

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        It doesn’t have to be verbal shaming or hating. Stigmatization can be more subtle and still be effective. Surely you see that in your own society on other issues.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          Horace
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          yes jon I see stigmatization everywhere. I hope you do too.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Maybe I’m making it up. Maybe there’s no such thing as taboo opinions in the Bay Area.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              Well I am definitely with the governor in his stance against those who want to hate or shame mask wearers. Meanwhile everybody is wearing a mask wherever I go around here, so as usual I am at a loss to personally identify with these political subcultures we discuss so often online. I do understand having a principled reaction against being required by law to wear a mask, though, and can identify with that. Shaming/hating people for wearing masks? Nope, don't really think it's a thing.

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              @Horace said in The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.:

              Well I am definitely with the governor in his stance against those who want to hate or shame mask wearers. Meanwhile everybody is wearing a mask wherever I go around here, so as usual I am at a loss to personally identify with these political subcultures we discuss so often online. I do understand having a principled reaction against being required by law to wear a mask, though, and can identify with that. Shaming/hating people for wearing masks? Nope, don't really think it's a thing.

              About 1 out of 10 people in Ellicott City yesterday were wearing masks. Tons of foot traffic, no social distancing, 1 out of fucking 10.

              Please love yourself.

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                Maybe I’m making it up. Maybe there’s no such thing as taboo opinions in the Bay Area.

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                @jon-nyc said in The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.:

                Maybe I’m making it up. Maybe there’s no such thing as taboo opinions in the Bay Area.

                No, I really do see stigmatization everywhere, usually in the form of sane vs crazy, or smart vs stupid, or moral vs immoral framings of every important political question.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  Well then, you understand what the Governor is facing.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    I do not in fact understand the degree of this "ossifying stigma" against other people wearing masks.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Pure, unadulterated twattery:

                      Link to video

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                        Big crowds and many without masks in Minneapolis protests today. They didn’t look like Trump supporters. Wonder if it will become a hot spot of a different nature. Will that story be covered?

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                          Big crowds and many without masks in Minneapolis protests today. They didn’t look like Trump supporters. Wonder if it will become a hot spot of a different nature. Will that story be covered?

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                          @Loki said in The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.:

                          Big crowds and many without masks in Minneapolis protests today.

                          You misspelled "riots."

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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