The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.
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wrote on 24 May 2020, 22:20 last edited by
has anybody here argued against mask use?
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wrote on 24 May 2020, 22:22 last edited by
You were just cracking sarcastic about a guy who's saying that wearing one shouldn't be political.
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wrote on 24 May 2020, 22:24 last edited by
It wasn't sarcastic, he genuinely lacked the political courage to implore people to wear masks. He clearly wants that but his political calculus had him swinging away at the straw man about people who hate others for wearing masks. Who I imagine don't much exist.
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It wasn't sarcastic, he genuinely lacked the political courage to implore people to wear masks. He clearly wants that but his political calculus had him swinging away at the straw man about people who hate others for wearing masks. Who I imagine don't much exist.
wrote on 24 May 2020, 22:27 last edited by@Horace said in The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.:
It wasn't sarcastic, he genuinely lacked the political courage to implore people to wear masks. He clearly wants that but his political calculus had him swinging away at the straw man about people who hate others for wearing masks. Who I imagine don't much exist.
Not hate, but it's definitely political. For many on both sides, it's become a form of virtue signaling because we're so insane that we care more about team affiliation than we do basic public safety.
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wrote on 24 May 2020, 22:34 last edited by Horace
Since nobody here is advocating against masks (though some, myself included, aren't much interested in piling on with the sneering condescension towards those who aren't enthusiastic about wearing them), I do wonder how many folk out there have a "political" reaction against them. I suppose some people just don't want to bother with this risk mitigation which remains unquantified and unquantifiable, at least for now. But laziness is not politics, it's just laziness.
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Since nobody here is advocating against masks (though some, myself included, aren't much interested in piling on with the sneering condescension towards those who aren't enthusiastic about wearing them), I do wonder how many folk out there have a "political" reaction against them. I suppose some people just don't want to bother with this risk mitigation which remains unquantified and unquantifiable, at least for now. But laziness is not politics, it's just laziness.
wrote on 24 May 2020, 22:35 last edited by@Horace said in The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.:
Since nobody here is advocating against masks (though some, myself included, aren't much interested in piling on with the sneering condescension towards those who aren't enthusiastic about wearing them), I do wonder how many folk out there have a "political" reaction against them. I suppose some people just don't want to bother with this risk mitigation which remains unquantified and unquantifiable, at least for now. But laziness is not politics, it's just laziness.
There's some open ridicule bullshit going on in my area. Which, like I said, is insanity.
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Oh for fuck's sake, it prevents the goddamn spread of the virus, okay? Jesus.
wrote on 25 May 2020, 00:54 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.:
Oh for fuck's sake, it prevents the goddamn spread of the virus, okay? Jesus.
Yes, that is exactly the reason masks won't be worn.
The argument is all about virtue and emotion.
How many deaths?
How long?
What triggers the end of mandatory masks?
When is it OK to not wear masks? Why?
Why only wear masks for covid-19?
Why not make masks mandatory until all communicable diseases are gone?
Sorry, but none of the correct answers to those questions include taking the Lord's name in vain or vulgar language.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 02:05 last edited by
But Aqua, we need the virus to spread! Herd immunity! If nobody gets it, we can’t be immune!
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 04:12 last edited by
Yeah! Let's just wear masks forever.
Think of all the diseases we wouldn't get.
But then again, think of all the diseases we would get, that we otherwise would be immune to.Solution: Wear the masks for 4-hours on, 2-hours off, daily. Guaranteed that at some point, you would be saved from the Wuhan Flu without even knowing it. Then, you'd get a cold and maybe go feet-up.
But if the government says to do it, this week, then I'll do it because I have confidence in the extraordinary people in government. They are, like, a higher life form, and should not be questioned. They know stuff and junk. -
wrote on 25 May 2020, 21:07 last edited by
I suppose it's too late to suggest using common sense? Wear a mask at the shops, but not in the house? Wear a mask if you're going to come into close proximity? Basically, what George said.
Other tips:
Don't show up at the beach and go frolicking around like a stupid twat.
Don't get together with 20 friends at the park and play baseball like a stupid twat.
Don't mention the US Constitution when debating whether you should wear mask. It's a sure fire clue that you're a stupid twat.
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It wasn't sarcastic, he genuinely lacked the political courage to implore people to wear masks. He clearly wants that but his political calculus had him swinging away at the straw man about people who hate others for wearing masks. Who I imagine don't much exist.
wrote on 25 May 2020, 21:21 last edited by@Horace said in The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.:
It wasn't sarcastic, he genuinely lacked the political courage to implore people to wear masks. He clearly wants that but his political calculus had him swinging away at the straw man about people who hate others for wearing masks. Who I imagine don't much exist.
Or maybe they’ve been imploring mask usage for weeks and now he’s trying to fight an ossifying stigma against usage within a particular political tribe.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 22:21 last edited by
Well I am definitely with the governor in his stance against those who want to hate or shame mask wearers. Meanwhile everybody is wearing a mask wherever I go around here, so as usual I am at a loss to personally identify with these political subcultures we discuss so often online. I do understand having a principled reaction against being required by law to wear a mask, though, and can identify with that. Shaming/hating people for wearing masks? Nope, don't really think it's a thing.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 22:26 last edited by
It doesn’t have to be verbal shaming or hating. Stigmatization can be more subtle and still be effective. Surely you see that in your own society on other issues.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 22:33 last edited by
yes jon I see stigmatization everywhere. I hope you do too.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 22:34 last edited by
Maybe I’m making it up. Maybe there’s no such thing as taboo opinions in the Bay Area.
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Well I am definitely with the governor in his stance against those who want to hate or shame mask wearers. Meanwhile everybody is wearing a mask wherever I go around here, so as usual I am at a loss to personally identify with these political subcultures we discuss so often online. I do understand having a principled reaction against being required by law to wear a mask, though, and can identify with that. Shaming/hating people for wearing masks? Nope, don't really think it's a thing.
wrote on 25 May 2020, 22:34 last edited by@Horace said in The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.:
Well I am definitely with the governor in his stance against those who want to hate or shame mask wearers. Meanwhile everybody is wearing a mask wherever I go around here, so as usual I am at a loss to personally identify with these political subcultures we discuss so often online. I do understand having a principled reaction against being required by law to wear a mask, though, and can identify with that. Shaming/hating people for wearing masks? Nope, don't really think it's a thing.
About 1 out of 10 people in Ellicott City yesterday were wearing masks. Tons of foot traffic, no social distancing, 1 out of fucking 10.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 22:36 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The curious case of the people who want to reopen America but not wear masks.:
Maybe I’m making it up. Maybe there’s no such thing as taboo opinions in the Bay Area.
No, I really do see stigmatization everywhere, usually in the form of sane vs crazy, or smart vs stupid, or moral vs immoral framings of every important political question.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 22:48 last edited by
Well then, you understand what the Governor is facing.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 23:58 last edited by
I do not in fact understand the degree of this "ossifying stigma" against other people wearing masks.
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wrote on 28 May 2020, 01:32 last edited by
Pure, unadulterated twattery:
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