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    Ivorythumper
    wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 00:21 last edited by Ivorythumper 9 Feb 2021, 00:22
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    Including National Review paid for by Google and Facebook.

    WFB must be turning over in his grave

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      Doctor Phibes
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      Thank God for the integrity of OANN and Newsmax.

      I was only joking

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      • I Ivorythumper
        2 Sept 2021, 00:21

        Including National Review paid for by Google and Facebook.

        WFB must be turning over in his grave

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        Jolly
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        @ivorythumper said in The long march through the institutions…:

        Including National Review paid for by Google and Facebook.

        WFB must be turning over in his grave

        He's right.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 02:39 last edited by
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          Time to re-read your Gramsci, IT.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • J jon-nyc
            2 Sept 2021, 02:39

            Time to re-read your Gramsci, IT.

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            Ivorythumper
            wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 03:28 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

            Time to re-read your Gramsci, IT.

            It’s a completely gramscian turn.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 10:04 last edited by jon-nyc 9 Feb 2021, 12:13
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              Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

              A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                Catseye3
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                For those of us who, like me, do not know whoTF Gramsci was, this from Wiki: "Gramsci is best known for his theory of cultural hegemony, which describes how the state and ruling capitalist class – the bourgeoisie – use cultural institutions to maintain power in capitalist societies. The bourgeoisie, in Gramsci's view, develops a hegemonic culture using ideology rather than violence, economic force, or coercion. Hegemonic culture propagates its own values and norms so that they become the "common sense" values of all and thus maintain the status quo."

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                • J jon-nyc
                  2 Sept 2021, 10:04

                  Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

                  A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 12:12 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Feb 2021, 12:12
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                  @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                  Not to not pick

                  nit pick

                  I was only joking

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                    jon-nyc
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                    @Catseye3 I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

                    I happened to see his grave last time I was in Rome. I said to my wife ‘oh look, Gramsci is buried here’ and she said “who?”

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      2 Sept 2021, 12:15

                      @Catseye3 I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

                      I happened to see his grave last time I was in Rome. I said to my wife ‘oh look, Gramsci is buried here’ and she said “who?”

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                      Catseye3
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                      @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                      I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

                      It's a cool term. I plan to incorporate it. If a wokester says something stupid to me, I will roll my eyes and flip my hair and sigh, "Oh, gurl, you are just so gramscian."

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 13:24 last edited by
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                        And receive the bovine look in return.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          2 Sept 2021, 12:24

                          @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                          I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

                          It's a cool term. I plan to incorporate it. If a wokester says something stupid to me, I will roll my eyes and flip my hair and sigh, "Oh, gurl, you are just so gramscian."

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 13:37 last edited by
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                          @catseye3 said in The long march through the institutions…:

                          @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                          I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

                          It's a cool term. I plan to incorporate it. If a wokester says something stupid to me, I will roll my eyes and flip my hair and sigh, "Oh, gurl, you are just so gramscian."

                          The phrase I was specifically referring to is ‘long March through the institutions’.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            2 Sept 2021, 13:37

                            @catseye3 said in The long march through the institutions…:

                            @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                            I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

                            It's a cool term. I plan to incorporate it. If a wokester says something stupid to me, I will roll my eyes and flip my hair and sigh, "Oh, gurl, you are just so gramscian."

                            The phrase I was specifically referring to is ‘long March through the institutions’.

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                            Catseye3
                            wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 13:39 last edited by
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                            @jon-nyc Well, clearly that wouldn't work. 😕

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 14:50 last edited by
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                              "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

                              Elbows up!

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                                2 Sept 2021, 14:50

                                "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 14:54 last edited by
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                                @renauda said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

                                I believe the guy that actually coined the phrase was specifically alluding to the Long March across China.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  2 Sept 2021, 14:50

                                  "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

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                                  Aqua Letifer
                                  wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 14:54 last edited by
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                                  @renauda said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                  "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

                                  A co-worker of mine wants to keep using the word "revolution!" in office meetings. I've been working for the past couple weeks on getting him to change that to "permanent revolution" without actually saying the phrase myself.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                  • J jon-nyc
                                    2 Sept 2021, 10:04

                                    Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

                                    A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

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                                    Ivorythumper
                                    wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 15:32 last edited by
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                                    @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                    Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

                                    A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

                                    What is the point of capturing institutions if you don't have a propaganda machine to further the cause?

                                    Why would you exclude companies -- especially Big Tech and massively wealthy social influencers -- from the gramscian analysis?

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 16:02 last edited by
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                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        2 Sept 2021, 14:54

                                        @renauda said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                        "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

                                        I believe the guy that actually coined the phrase was specifically alluding to the Long March across China.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 16:51 last edited by Renauda 9 Feb 2021, 16:52
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                                        @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                        @renauda said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                        "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

                                        I believe the guy that actually coined the phrase was specifically alluding to the Long March across China.

                                        Yes, I was well aware of the narrative surrounding the term. Hence my reference to Mao.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • I Ivorythumper
                                          2 Sept 2021, 15:32

                                          @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                          Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

                                          A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

                                          What is the point of capturing institutions if you don't have a propaganda machine to further the cause?

                                          Why would you exclude companies -- especially Big Tech and massively wealthy social influencers -- from the gramscian analysis?

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 18:45 last edited by
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                                          @ivorythumper said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                          @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                          Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

                                          A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

                                          What is the point of capturing institutions if you don't have a propaganda machine to further the cause?

                                          Why would you exclude companies -- especially Big Tech and massively wealthy social influencers -- from the gramscian analysis?

                                          No i wouldn’t. But the Gramscian march is about committed ideologues taking over the institutions from the inside, not currying favor from other companies through contracts or payments.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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