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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    Time to re-read your Gramsci, IT.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Time to re-read your Gramsci, IT.

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      @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

      Time to re-read your Gramsci, IT.

      It’s a completely gramscian turn.

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        Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

        A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          For those of us who, like me, do not know whoTF Gramsci was, this from Wiki: "Gramsci is best known for his theory of cultural hegemony, which describes how the state and ruling capitalist class – the bourgeoisie – use cultural institutions to maintain power in capitalist societies. The bourgeoisie, in Gramsci's view, develops a hegemonic culture using ideology rather than violence, economic force, or coercion. Hegemonic culture propagates its own values and norms so that they become the "common sense" values of all and thus maintain the status quo."

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

            A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

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            @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

            Not to not pick

            nit pick

            I was only joking

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              @Catseye3 I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

              I happened to see his grave last time I was in Rome. I said to my wife ‘oh look, Gramsci is buried here’ and she said “who?”

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @Catseye3 I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

                I happened to see his grave last time I was in Rome. I said to my wife ‘oh look, Gramsci is buried here’ and she said “who?”

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                @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

                It's a cool term. I plan to incorporate it. If a wokester says something stupid to me, I will roll my eyes and flip my hair and sigh, "Oh, gurl, you are just so gramscian."

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  And receive the bovine look in return.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                    I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

                    It's a cool term. I plan to incorporate it. If a wokester says something stupid to me, I will roll my eyes and flip my hair and sigh, "Oh, gurl, you are just so gramscian."

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                    @catseye3 said in The long march through the institutions…:

                    @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                    I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

                    It's a cool term. I plan to incorporate it. If a wokester says something stupid to me, I will roll my eyes and flip my hair and sigh, "Oh, gurl, you are just so gramscian."

                    The phrase I was specifically referring to is ‘long March through the institutions’.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @catseye3 said in The long march through the institutions…:

                      @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                      I think Gramsci didn’t actually coin the phrase IT used but the idea was his.

                      It's a cool term. I plan to incorporate it. If a wokester says something stupid to me, I will roll my eyes and flip my hair and sigh, "Oh, gurl, you are just so gramscian."

                      The phrase I was specifically referring to is ‘long March through the institutions’.

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                      @jon-nyc Well, clearly that wouldn't work. 😕

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

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                          @renauda said in The long march through the institutions…:

                          "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

                          I believe the guy that actually coined the phrase was specifically alluding to the Long March across China.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

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                            @renauda said in The long march through the institutions…:

                            "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

                            A co-worker of mine wants to keep using the word "revolution!" in office meetings. I've been working for the past couple weeks on getting him to change that to "permanent revolution" without actually saying the phrase myself.

                            Please love yourself.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

                              A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

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                              @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                              Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

                              A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

                              What is the point of capturing institutions if you don't have a propaganda machine to further the cause?

                              Why would you exclude companies -- especially Big Tech and massively wealthy social influencers -- from the gramscian analysis?

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                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @renauda said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                  "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

                                  I believe the guy that actually coined the phrase was specifically alluding to the Long March across China.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                  @renauda said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                  "Long march" has an asian, Maoist flavour to it.

                                  I believe the guy that actually coined the phrase was specifically alluding to the Long March across China.

                                  Yes, I was well aware of the narrative surrounding the term. Hence my reference to Mao.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • IvorythumperI Ivorythumper

                                    @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                    Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

                                    A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

                                    What is the point of capturing institutions if you don't have a propaganda machine to further the cause?

                                    Why would you exclude companies -- especially Big Tech and massively wealthy social influencers -- from the gramscian analysis?

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                                    @ivorythumper said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                    @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                    Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

                                    A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

                                    What is the point of capturing institutions if you don't have a propaganda machine to further the cause?

                                    Why would you exclude companies -- especially Big Tech and massively wealthy social influencers -- from the gramscian analysis?

                                    No i wouldn’t. But the Gramscian march is about committed ideologues taking over the institutions from the inside, not currying favor from other companies through contracts or payments.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      @ivorythumper said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                      @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                      Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

                                      A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

                                      What is the point of capturing institutions if you don't have a propaganda machine to further the cause?

                                      Why would you exclude companies -- especially Big Tech and massively wealthy social influencers -- from the gramscian analysis?

                                      No i wouldn’t. But the Gramscian march is about committed ideologues taking over the institutions from the inside, not currying favor from other companies through contracts or payments.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                      @ivorythumper said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                      @jon-nyc said in The long march through the institutions…:

                                      Not to nit pick, but the ideological capture of universities, media outlets, and corporate HR departments by the illiberal left is very much a Gramscian turn.

                                      A company currying favor with press outlets not so much.

                                      What is the point of capturing institutions if you don't have a propaganda machine to further the cause?

                                      Why would you exclude companies -- especially Big Tech and massively wealthy social influencers -- from the gramscian analysis?

                                      No i wouldn’t. But the Gramscian march is about committed ideologues taking over the institutions from the inside, not currying favor from other companies through contracts or payments.

                                      Why not? Once they’ve gained control of the institutions and the wealth, why not just buy out any opposition or anyone willing to be a paid agent ?

                                      I don’t see the left concerned about scruples over such things.

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