Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal
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wrote on 9 Jul 2021, 16:59 last edited by Loki 7 Sept 2021, 16:59
China and Afghanistan have a long relationship. Stinger missiles were supplied to them from China to take out Russia. The US did this so as to not piss of Russia. The history of the stingers is here.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-08-mn-1923-story.html
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 13:54 last edited by
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@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Yet we are still in Korea and Europe.
There's typically quite a bit less shooting over there. The biggest threat to US forces in Germany is they discover decent beer.
wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 13:57 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Yet we are still in Korea and Europe.
There's typically quite a bit less shooting over there. The biggest threat to US forces in Germany is they discover decent beer.
Tell me, how many U.S. combat deaths in Afghanistan has there been in the last couple of years?
The answer may surprise you.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:01 last edited by
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Funny, I was just thinking earlier today that the situation inside the embassy must be exactly that…destroying materials and packing to leave.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:18 last edited by
Looking more like the fall of Saigon than ever.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:24 last edited by George K
@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Looking more like the fall of Saigon than ever.
Although the Viet Cong were arguably nicer than the Taliban.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:42 last edited by
Heck, you've got to go full Khmer Rouge to get worse than the Taliban...
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 16:12 last edited by
At least he doesn't say mean things to people like Trump did........
Biden doesn't know where he shit last. He is a fool, and a president FOR fools.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 16:25 last edited by
Resident Biden.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 18:18 last edited by George K
@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Resident Biden.
The President has called a lid as of about an hour ago and is departing for a weekend in Delaware.
Edit: Camp David.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 18:25 last edited by
This may be a nit but Biden’s opposition was not if but when. His advice was that more confirmation was needed and finally ultimately agreed with Obama.
So it doesn’t demonstrate decisive leadership on his part but anyone who characterizes his opposition as based on taking him out as a bad idea is flat wrong. An authentic criticism is his “flinching” at a key opportunity.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 18:29 last edited by
I never thought I'd live to see the day when a president came along who would make Jimmy Carter look good.... but here we are...
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 19:46 last edited by xenon
We’ve been negotiating with the Taliban for years now.
The writing has been on the wall - Afghanistan was not worth it. The left and right agree to that (including Trump).
Americans want out. This is the inevitable result of pulling out with the Taliban still around.
I don’t get how this would have been diff if we had a diff President.
FWIW - ny personal thought is “you break it, you bought it”, and we should have stuck it out.
I thought that when Trump was preparing the pull out as well.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 22:14 last edited by
Yeah, there's clearly been a gradual shift towards this over the past 8-12 years.
I'm actually a little surprised it took the US this long to lose interest.
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wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 01:13 last edited by
Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
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wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 01:20 last edited by xenon
Dishonor in Afghanistan and dishonor with the Kurds. We’ve been a fickle partner in war lately.
I’m curious how soldiers feel though. I work with a bunch of former officers, I should ask them.
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Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 01:42 last edited by@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan
There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.
If not this way, how?
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 01:47 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
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@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 02:00 last edited by Doctor Phibes@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
I don't see how staying is going to make anything any better.
People who praised Trump's isolationist instincts are now saying this is the worst decision since the last really bad decision, presumably made by a Democrat.
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He rambles on and on, but doesn't actually suggest a solution, he just knows this is bad.
And he's not the only one. All the usual suspects are berating Biden's decision (which, tbh, sort of mirrored Trump's decision), and offering nothing in terms of suggestion as to what to do, other than stay.
I don't see how staying is going to make anything any better.
People who praised Trump's isolationist instincts are now saying this is the worst decision since the last really bad decision, presumably made by a Democrat.
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
wrote on 14 Aug 2021, 02:06 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Afghanistan just seems like a clusterfuck to me. The Superpower killer.
Indeed. The Soviets learned that a quarter of a century ago.