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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    Todays NYT: In Forceful Defense of Afghan Withdrawal, Biden Says U.S. Achieved Its Objectives

    President Biden vigorously defended his decision to end America’s 20-year war in Afghanistan on Thursday, asserting that the United States can no longer afford the human cost or strategic distraction of a conflict that he said had strayed far from its initial mission.

    Speaking after the withdrawal of nearly all U.S. combat forces and as the Taliban surge across the country, Mr. Biden, often in blunt and defensive tones, spoke directly to critics of his order to bring an end to American participation in a conflict born from the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He said the United States would formally end its military mission at the end of August.

    “Let me ask those who want us to stay: How many more?” Mr. Biden said in remarks in the East Room of the White House. “How many thousands more American daughters and sons are you willing to risk? And how long would you have them stay?”
    Mr. Biden said he was not declaring “mission accomplished,” but he made clear that the future of the country — including the fate of the current government and concerns about the rights of women and girls — was no longer in the hands of the American military.

    The war began two decades ago, the president argued, not to rebuild a distant nation but to prevent terror attacks like the one on Sept. 11, 2001, and to bring Osama bin Laden to justice. In essence, Mr. Biden said the longest war in United States history should have ended a decade ago, when Bin Laden was killed.

    “We did not go to Afghanistan to nation-build,” he said. “And it’s the right and the responsibility of Afghan people alone to decide their future and how they want to run their country.”

    Forceful:

    Who you gonna believe, the New York Times or your own lying eyes?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      He doesn't have much time left.

      They are going to escort him out of office while he babbles.

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      • MikM Offline
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        Yet we are still in Korea and Europe.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Yet we are still in Korea and Europe.

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          Doctor Phibes
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          @mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

          Yet we are still in Korea and Europe.

          There's typically quite a bit less shooting over there. The biggest threat to US forces in Germany is they discover decent beer.

          I was only joking

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          • George KG George K

            Todays NYT: In Forceful Defense of Afghan Withdrawal, Biden Says U.S. Achieved Its Objectives

            President Biden vigorously defended his decision to end America’s 20-year war in Afghanistan on Thursday, asserting that the United States can no longer afford the human cost or strategic distraction of a conflict that he said had strayed far from its initial mission.

            Speaking after the withdrawal of nearly all U.S. combat forces and as the Taliban surge across the country, Mr. Biden, often in blunt and defensive tones, spoke directly to critics of his order to bring an end to American participation in a conflict born from the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He said the United States would formally end its military mission at the end of August.

            “Let me ask those who want us to stay: How many more?” Mr. Biden said in remarks in the East Room of the White House. “How many thousands more American daughters and sons are you willing to risk? And how long would you have them stay?”
            Mr. Biden said he was not declaring “mission accomplished,” but he made clear that the future of the country — including the fate of the current government and concerns about the rights of women and girls — was no longer in the hands of the American military.

            The war began two decades ago, the president argued, not to rebuild a distant nation but to prevent terror attacks like the one on Sept. 11, 2001, and to bring Osama bin Laden to justice. In essence, Mr. Biden said the longest war in United States history should have ended a decade ago, when Bin Laden was killed.

            “We did not go to Afghanistan to nation-build,” he said. “And it’s the right and the responsibility of Afghan people alone to decide their future and how they want to run their country.”

            Forceful:

            Who you gonna believe, the New York Times or your own lying eyes?

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            Jolly
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            @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

            Todays NYT: In Forceful Defense of Afghan Withdrawal, Biden Says U.S. Achieved Its Objectives

            President Biden vigorously defended his decision to end America’s 20-year war in Afghanistan on Thursday, asserting that the United States can no longer afford the human cost or strategic distraction of a conflict that he said had strayed far from its initial mission.

            Speaking after the withdrawal of nearly all U.S. combat forces and as the Taliban surge across the country, Mr. Biden, often in blunt and defensive tones, spoke directly to critics of his order to bring an end to American participation in a conflict born from the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He said the United States would formally end its military mission at the end of August.

            “Let me ask those who want us to stay: How many more?” Mr. Biden said in remarks in the East Room of the White House. “How many thousands more American daughters and sons are you willing to risk? And how long would you have them stay?”
            Mr. Biden said he was not declaring “mission accomplished,” but he made clear that the future of the country — including the fate of the current government and concerns about the rights of women and girls — was no longer in the hands of the American military.

            The war began two decades ago, the president argued, not to rebuild a distant nation but to prevent terror attacks like the one on Sept. 11, 2001, and to bring Osama bin Laden to justice. In essence, Mr. Biden said the longest war in United States history should have ended a decade ago, when Bin Laden was killed.

            “We did not go to Afghanistan to nation-build,” he said. “And it’s the right and the responsibility of Afghan people alone to decide their future and how they want to run their country.”

            Forceful:

            Who you gonna believe, the New York Times or your own lying eyes?

            That's literally painful to watch...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Loki
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              #6

              China and Afghanistan have a long relationship. Stinger missiles were supplied to them from China to take out Russia. The US did this so as to not piss of Russia. The history of the stingers is here.

              https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-08-mn-1923-story.html

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  @mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                  Yet we are still in Korea and Europe.

                  There's typically quite a bit less shooting over there. The biggest threat to US forces in Germany is they discover decent beer.

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                  @doctor-phibes said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                  @mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                  Yet we are still in Korea and Europe.

                  There's typically quite a bit less shooting over there. The biggest threat to US forces in Germany is they discover decent beer.

                  Tell me, how many U.S. combat deaths in Afghanistan has there been in the last couple of years?

                  The answer may surprise you.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                    Funny, I was just thinking earlier today that the situation inside the embassy must be exactly that…destroying materials and packing to leave.

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                      Mik
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                      Looking more like the fall of Saigon than ever.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        Looking more like the fall of Saigon than ever.

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                        George K
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                        #11

                        @mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                        Looking more like the fall of Saigon than ever.

                        Although the Viet Cong were arguably nicer than the Taliban.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Jolly
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                          Heck, you've got to go full Khmer Rouge to get worse than the Taliban...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • LarryL Offline
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                            At least he doesn't say mean things to people like Trump did........

                            Biden doesn't know where he shit last. He is a fool, and a president FOR fools.

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                              Resident Biden.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Resident Biden.

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                                George K
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                                @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                Resident Biden.

                                The President has called a lid as of about an hour ago and is departing for a weekend in Delaware.

                                Edit: Camp David.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Loki
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                                  This may be a nit but Biden’s opposition was not if but when. His advice was that more confirmation was needed and finally ultimately agreed with Obama.

                                  So it doesn’t demonstrate decisive leadership on his part but anyone who characterizes his opposition as based on taking him out as a bad idea is flat wrong. An authentic criticism is his “flinching” at a key opportunity.

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                                    I never thought I'd live to see the day when a president came along who would make Jimmy Carter look good.... but here we are...

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                                      xenon
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                                      #18

                                      We’ve been negotiating with the Taliban for years now.

                                      The writing has been on the wall - Afghanistan was not worth it. The left and right agree to that (including Trump).

                                      Americans want out. This is the inevitable result of pulling out with the Taliban still around.

                                      I don’t get how this would have been diff if we had a diff President.

                                      FWIW - ny personal thought is “you break it, you bought it”, and we should have stuck it out.

                                      I thought that when Trump was preparing the pull out as well.

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                                        Yeah, there's clearly been a gradual shift towards this over the past 8-12 years.

                                        I'm actually a little surprised it took the US this long to lose interest.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          Goldberg: Dishonor in Afghanistan

                                          There's a lot of hand-wringing and shoulda coulda, but I don't see him offering an alternative, assuming that the US wants to get out.

                                          If not this way, how?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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