Shoplifting is OK
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I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 14:59 last edited by Horace 1 Apr 2022, 15:00@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
Stop them how? You say that like there's an ultimate authority of stoppage. You'd be right, in a society where the police were allowed to do their jobs. That is not the society those crimes are taking place in.
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@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
Stop them how? You say that like there's an ultimate authority of stoppage. You'd be right, in a society where the police were allowed to do their jobs. That is not the society those crimes are taking place in.
wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 15:17 last edited by@horace said in Shoplifting is OK:
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
Stop them how? You say that like there's an ultimate authority of stoppage. You'd be right, in a society where the police were allowed to do their jobs. That is not the society those crimes are taking place in.
Over here, a security service or store detective can do much less than what the police can do (for instance, they are not allowed to search a person), but they can use "appropriate" force to stop a thief from leaving before the police arrives.
Is that different in all of the US? Or just in California? Or just these cities?
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@horace said in Shoplifting is OK:
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
Stop them how? You say that like there's an ultimate authority of stoppage. You'd be right, in a society where the police were allowed to do their jobs. That is not the society those crimes are taking place in.
Over here, a security service or store detective can do much less than what the police can do (for instance, they are not allowed to search a person), but they can use "appropriate" force to stop a thief from leaving before the police arrives.
Is that different in all of the US? Or just in California? Or just these cities?
wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 15:18 last edited by@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
@horace said in Shoplifting is OK:
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
Stop them how? You say that like there's an ultimate authority of stoppage. You'd be right, in a society where the police were allowed to do their jobs. That is not the society those crimes are taking place in.
Over here, a security service or store detective can do much less than what the police can do (for instance, they are not allowed to search a person), but they can use "appropriate" force to stop a thief from leaving before the police arrives.
Is that different in all of the US? Or just in California? Or just these cities?
Just remember, when America coughs the world catches a cold. It could also be said that when California coughs, America catches a cold.
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wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 15:19 last edited by
Pretty sure the lady stealing stuff in the video was in fact a large-ish black man. Again, who is going to stop him?
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wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 15:31 last edited by
Would you risk life and limb for $15 an hour?
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I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 15:49 last edited by@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I don't quite understand why these thieves aren't stopped. Is the security service not allowed to stop them?
To what end? To further enrich the retail store that achieved record profits last year and who have consistently and systemically marginalized so many BIBOC individuals by using racist tools such as “prices” to limit access to goods and services? If that’s not malignant and systemic racism, then I don’t know what is. The store didn’t make those goods and has no right to limit access of those goods to BIBOC. And the idea of using force to stop this individual? Just the idea is violence. Why are you so violent, @Klaus ?
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wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 16:15 last edited by
I appreciate all the sarcasm, but my questions were out of genuine curiosity.
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wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 16:19 last edited by
@mik said in Shoplifting is OK:
Would you risk life and limb for $15 an hour?
I did far worse things for $15 an hour. Horace said back then that his $15 were well spent, but he can't possibly be proud of what we did.
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@mik said in Shoplifting is OK:
Would you risk life and limb for $15 an hour?
I did far worse things for $15 an hour. Horace said back then that his $15 were well spent, but he can't possibly be proud of what we did.
wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 16:23 last edited by@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
@mik said in Shoplifting is OK:
Would you risk life and limb for $15 an hour?
I did far worse things for $15 an hour. Horace said back then that his $15 were well spent, but he can't possibly be proud of what we did.
Well it's true that I can't possibly be proud of what I've done.
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@mik said in Shoplifting is OK:
Would you risk life and limb for $15 an hour?
I did far worse things for $15 an hour. Horace said back then that his $15 were well spent, but he can't possibly be proud of what we did.
wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 16:50 last edited by@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
@mik said in Shoplifting is OK:
Would you risk life and limb for $15 an hour?
I did far worse things for $15 an hour. Horace said back then that his $15 were well spent, but he can't possibly be proud of what we did.
I don't think I want to know any more about this.
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wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 17:06 last edited by
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I appreciate all the sarcasm, but my questions were out of genuine curiosity.
Generally speaking, employees (including security staff) are not allowed to stop someone from stealing or leaving a store. In rare occasions, some security staff are allowed to carry weapons and stop people, but that is rare...usually seen at a bank or jewelry store.
It is unfortunate.
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@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I appreciate all the sarcasm, but my questions were out of genuine curiosity.
Generally speaking, employees (including security staff) are not allowed to stop someone from stealing or leaving a store. In rare occasions, some security staff are allowed to carry weapons and stop people, but that is rare...usually seen at a bank or jewelry store.
It is unfortunate.
wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 17:28 last edited by Klaus 1 Apr 2022, 17:28@89th said in Shoplifting is OK:
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I appreciate all the sarcasm, but my questions were out of genuine curiosity.
Generally speaking, employees (including security staff) are not allowed to stop someone from stealing or leaving a store. In rare occasions, some security staff are allowed to carry weapons and stop people, but that is rare...usually seen at a bank or jewelry store.
It is unfortunate.
And that is the case all over the US, or just in some states/cities?
What if somebody breaks into your house?
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@89th said in Shoplifting is OK:
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I appreciate all the sarcasm, but my questions were out of genuine curiosity.
Generally speaking, employees (including security staff) are not allowed to stop someone from stealing or leaving a store. In rare occasions, some security staff are allowed to carry weapons and stop people, but that is rare...usually seen at a bank or jewelry store.
It is unfortunate.
And that is the case all over the US, or just in some states/cities?
What if somebody breaks into your house?
wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 17:30 last edited by@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
@89th said in Shoplifting is OK:
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I appreciate all the sarcasm, but my questions were out of genuine curiosity.
Generally speaking, employees (including security staff) are not allowed to stop someone from stealing or leaving a store. In rare occasions, some security staff are allowed to carry weapons and stop people, but that is rare...usually seen at a bank or jewelry store.
It is unfortunate.
And that is the case all over the US, or just in some states/cities?
What if somebody breaks into your house?
It's the case nearly everywhere in the US. I'd say the only places you can't shoplift these days are in smaller towns where you'd get the crap kicked out of you with a wink to the nearest sheriff deputy.
If someone breaks into your house, in most states/cities you have the right to shoot them (in the front)... if you shoot them in the back (i.e., they are leaving) you might be guilty of manslaughter.
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@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
@mik said in Shoplifting is OK:
Would you risk life and limb for $15 an hour?
I did far worse things for $15 an hour. Horace said back then that his $15 were well spent, but he can't possibly be proud of what we did.
I don't think I want to know any more about this.
wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 17:35 last edited by@mik said in Shoplifting is OK:
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
@mik said in Shoplifting is OK:
Would you risk life and limb for $15 an hour?
I did far worse things for $15 an hour. Horace said back then that his $15 were well spent, but he can't possibly be proud of what we did.
I don't think I want to know any more about this.
I can still hear the screams of the sheep.
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@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
@89th said in Shoplifting is OK:
@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
I appreciate all the sarcasm, but my questions were out of genuine curiosity.
Generally speaking, employees (including security staff) are not allowed to stop someone from stealing or leaving a store. In rare occasions, some security staff are allowed to carry weapons and stop people, but that is rare...usually seen at a bank or jewelry store.
It is unfortunate.
And that is the case all over the US, or just in some states/cities?
What if somebody breaks into your house?
It's the case nearly everywhere in the US. I'd say the only places you can't shoplift these days are in smaller towns where you'd get the crap kicked out of you with a wink to the nearest sheriff deputy.
If someone breaks into your house, in most states/cities you have the right to shoot them (in the front)... if you shoot them in the back (i.e., they are leaving) you might be guilty of manslaughter.
wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 17:36 last edited by@89th said in Shoplifting is OK:
If someone breaks into your house, in most states/cities you have the right to shoot them (in the front)... if you shoot them in the back (i.e., they are leaving) you might be guilty of manslaughter.
What about forcing them to wait for the police?
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wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 18:16 last edited by
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@89th said in Shoplifting is OK:
If someone breaks into your house, in most states/cities you have the right to shoot them (in the front)... if you shoot them in the back (i.e., they are leaving) you might be guilty of manslaughter.
What about forcing them to wait for the police?
wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 19:29 last edited by@klaus said in Shoplifting is OK:
@89th said in Shoplifting is OK:
If someone breaks into your house, in most states/cities you have the right to shoot them (in the front)... if you shoot them in the back (i.e., they are leaving) you might be guilty of manslaughter.
What about forcing them to wait for the police?
In your house? Sure if you can keep them from escaping. In a store? That's hard to do without physically restraining the person. Most employees/security will not touch the shoplifter, so waiting for the police is not usually an option.
ALL OF THAT BEING SAID... as always, what you see on the media is a massive overblown representation of what is happening out there. In any store in the US, you are 99.9999% likely not to see any of this. Now, if you live in certain areas, that probability drops to maybe 97%.
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wrote on 4 Jan 2022, 19:41 last edited by
My favorite store robbery:
Link to video
