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The coming hospital crisis

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    George K
    wrote on 9 May 2020, 01:37 last edited by
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/apocalyptic-hospitals-losing-millions-treating-100100863.html?soc_src=community&soc_trk=fb

    Hospitals in the United States could lose more than $500 billion in 100 days during the coronavirus pandemic, according to former Veterans Affairs Secretary David Shulkin. While Congress has appropriated $175 billion in total stimulus funding to hospitals, he said even that amount will not be enough to close the fiscal gap hospitals are facing.

    Without proper funding to offset major financial losses during the pandemic, the consequences to major hospitals could be dire. Large hospitals could begin to see their capabilities and care resources fade, warned Shulkin and others who have served at the helm of major hospitals.

    It could also require hospitals to prioritize some departments and teams, such as oncology and critical care teams, over others considered less essential. Large clinics, known for developing cutting-edge care could see reduction in the scope of their research, particularly for research unrelated to the coronavirus.

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    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 9 May 2020, 01:43 last edited by
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      How much do hospitals pay for research? Seems like it’s mostly grant funding.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        89th
        wrote on 9 May 2020, 01:47 last edited by
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        George that article makes me sick

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          9 May 2020, 01:43

          How much do hospitals pay for research? Seems like it’s mostly grant funding.

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          George K
          wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:23 last edited by
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          @jon-nyc said in The coming hospital crisis:

          How much do hospitals pay for research? Seems like it’s mostly grant funding.

          I'd guess that small community hospitals pay little or nothing. But that's just a SWAG.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Horace
            wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:29 last edited by
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            Lock downs are all fun and games until somebody loses a civilization.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:30 last edited by
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              We should never have chosen to have this pandemic.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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                Horace
                wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:31 last edited by
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                Right because damage from the lock down is damage from the virus.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:33 last edited by
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:34 last edited by jon-nyc 5 Sept 2020, 02:35
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:36 last edited by jon-nyc 5 Sept 2020, 02:36
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                      The economic devastation doesn’t seem to be a policy choice. At least mostly not.

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:46 last edited by
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                        Yeah I don't think it matters to the economy whether people aren't going outside because of force or choice. Neither does it matter much to the discussion about whether it's good that everybody stays inside.

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                          Horace
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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:49 last edited by jon-nyc 5 Sept 2020, 02:51
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                            Usually the conversation is about policy. I think that Covid Doves in general have yet to concede the point that policy isn’t the problem, the fucking virus is.

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:51 last edited by
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                              Social norms are no less important or effective than policies, and just as amenable to change due to discussion.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:52 last edited by
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                                A couple of other Sweden maps

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                                Of course they look better when you compare them to France, Italy, Spain, Iran.

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                                  Rainman
                                  wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:53 last edited by
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                                  So if hospitals are going broke, health insurance companies are booming, right?

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                                  • J jon-nyc
                                    9 May 2020, 02:49

                                    Usually the conversation is about policy. I think that Covid Doves in general have yet to concede the point that policy isn’t the problem, the fucking virus is.

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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:57 last edited by
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                                    It's not clear to me how policy relates to hospitals doing no business. I assume hospitals are considered essential and not covered by the lock down policies. Heck, even the place I work for isn't covered and we're hardly front line health care workers. So why are hospitals all but shut down these days?

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                                      9 May 2020, 02:52

                                      A couple of other Sweden maps

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                                      Of course they look better when you compare them to France, Italy, Spain, Iran.

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                                      89th
                                      wrote on 9 May 2020, 03:05 last edited by
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                                      @jon-nyc said in The coming hospital crisis:
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                                      Holy shit. This is a pretty clear apples to Swedish apples map, no?

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 9 May 2020, 03:19 last edited by
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                                        It’s clear but if you put Sweden next to UK, Spain, Italy, France it looks fine.

                                        Seems like density, culture, climate, etc would suggest the Scandinavian comparison is the apt one but maybe there’s a good reason that isn’t the case.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          Klaus
                                          wrote on 9 May 2020, 09:04 last edited by
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                                          Ms. Klaus was recently notified that her salary will be cut by 25% because the hospital lost so much money.

                                          Next time hospitals here will be asked to cancel everything and prepare for a pandemic they’ll show the politicians their middle finger.

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