Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...
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@LuFins-Dad Hope Luke is feeling better now!!!!
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Response to the shot was the number 1 topic people talked about with friends. I must have heard dozens of stories with every vaccine and every circumstance and never saw a pattern nor did anyone offer a definitive predictor. I don’t know anyone who felt bad after two days.
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@jon-nyc said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@lufins-dad said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@89th said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
Ugh that sucks, @LuFins-Dad . If he only has the first shot, there's plenty of evidence that it is really all that he needs anyway for nearly the same efficacy.
Actually, there’s plenty of evidence that the first shot did absolutely nothing for him in terms of efficacy.
Really? What’s that?
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/previous-covid-19-may-cut-risk-reinfection-84
Single dose of Pfizer is 80% against serious cases, and it seems to be “significantly” lower against mild cases or asymptomatic transmission. I “significantly” since we don’t see the actual numbers of breakthrough cases, but are just told that the number is insignificant... Very scientific like...
Lucas’ immunity was likely higher than the
first dose of Pfizer grants.In addition, I have heard several virologists in interviews discuss the vaccines vs natural immunity vs the variants. It seems like the concern is that since the early vaccines all focused on the protein spike, if the variants find a way to confuse the antibodies then the vaccines will no longer be effective whereas in cases of natural immunity, the immune system is primed against the entire virus, not just the spike, and will be more effective.
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The great news is that cases and deaths inv have now dropped to an all time low! And this is in the face of almost no social distancing anymore.
It would appear the vaccine is doing it’s job.
@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
The great news is that cases and deaths inv have now dropped to an all time low! And this is in the face of almost no social distancing anymore.
It would appear the vaccine is doing it’s job.
I'm not sure it's quite over yet - the British death toll was zero earlier this week, but they're making worrying noises about a third wave kicking in because of the Indian variant - it feels a bit like what happens there happens here a few weeks later.
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@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
The great news is that cases and deaths inv have now dropped to an all time low! And this is in the face of almost no social distancing anymore.
It would appear the vaccine is doing it’s job.
I'm not sure it's quite over yet - the British death toll was zero earlier this week, but they're making worrying noises about a third wave kicking in because of the Indian variant - it feels a bit like what happens there happens here a few weeks later.
@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
The great news is that cases and deaths inv have now dropped to an all time low! And this is in the face of almost no social distancing anymore.
It would appear the vaccine is doing it’s job.
I'm not sure it's quite over yet - the British death toll was zero earlier this week, but they're making worrying noises about a third wave kicking in because of the Indian variant - it feels a bit like what happens there happens here a few weeks later.
So far, the concern is the spread to unvaccinated folks. If that holds, the unvaccinated ought to get a vaccine or face the music. The world will not lockdown again for the unvaccinated, it’s just their misery.
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@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
The great news is that cases and deaths inv have now dropped to an all time low! And this is in the face of almost no social distancing anymore.
It would appear the vaccine is doing it’s job.
I'm not sure it's quite over yet - the British death toll was zero earlier this week, but they're making worrying noises about a third wave kicking in because of the Indian variant - it feels a bit like what happens there happens here a few weeks later.
So far, the concern is the spread to unvaccinated folks. If that holds, the unvaccinated ought to get a vaccine or face the music. The world will not lockdown again for the unvaccinated, it’s just their misery.
@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
The great news is that cases and deaths inv have now dropped to an all time low! And this is in the face of almost no social distancing anymore.
It would appear the vaccine is doing it’s job.
I'm not sure it's quite over yet - the British death toll was zero earlier this week, but they're making worrying noises about a third wave kicking in because of the Indian variant - it feels a bit like what happens there happens here a few weeks later.
So far, the concern is the spread to unvaccinated folks. If that holds, the unvaccinated ought to get a vaccine or face the music. The world will not lockdown again for the unvaccinated, it’s just their misery.
That's about half the country. And most of the rest of the world doesn't have that luxury.
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@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
The great news is that cases and deaths inv have now dropped to an all time low! And this is in the face of almost no social distancing anymore.
It would appear the vaccine is doing it’s job.
I'm not sure it's quite over yet - the British death toll was zero earlier this week, but they're making worrying noises about a third wave kicking in because of the Indian variant - it feels a bit like what happens there happens here a few weeks later.
So far, the concern is the spread to unvaccinated folks. If that holds, the unvaccinated ought to get a vaccine or face the music. The world will not lockdown again for the unvaccinated, it’s just their misery.
@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
The great news is that cases and deaths inv have now dropped to an all time low! And this is in the face of almost no social distancing anymore.
It would appear the vaccine is doing it’s job.
I'm not sure it's quite over yet - the British death toll was zero earlier this week, but they're making worrying noises about a third wave kicking in because of the Indian variant - it feels a bit like what happens there happens here a few weeks later.
So far, the concern is the spread to unvaccinated folks. If that holds, the unvaccinated ought to get a vaccine or face the music. The world will not lockdown again for the unvaccinated, it’s just their misery.
Yep. That’s the point I have been trying to make.
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But the longer this bloody thing hangs around in large numbers, isn't the greater the chance of vaccine resistant strains developing?
I was only joking
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But the longer this bloody thing hangs around in large numbers, isn't the greater the chance of vaccine resistant strains developing?
@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
But the longer this bloody thing hangs around in large numbers, isn't the greater the chance of vaccine resistant strains developing?
Hence the booster shot for us and no vaccine maker has warned that a booster for any mutant strain might not work Not so great for much of the world.
But to your point the odds of a mutant strain resistant to current vaccines is much higher than non zero. Same problem for the “ I already had covid and don’t need a shot” crowd.
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But the longer this bloody thing hangs around in large numbers, isn't the greater the chance of vaccine resistant strains developing?
@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
But the longer this bloody thing hangs around in large numbers, isn't the greater the chance of vaccine resistant strains developing?
I have read that this particular virus, or perhaps corona viruses in general, has limited ways it can mutate. I don't recall the details.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
But the longer this bloody thing hangs around in large numbers, isn't the greater the chance of vaccine resistant strains developing?
I have read that this particular virus, or perhaps corona viruses in general, has limited ways it can mutate. I don't recall the details.
@mik said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
But the longer this bloody thing hangs around in large numbers, isn't the greater the chance of vaccine resistant strains developing?
I have read that this particular virus, or perhaps corona viruses in general, has limited ways it can mutate. I don't recall the details.
I hope that's true, but to be honest I've currently got a few trust issues regarding this kind of prediction.
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@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
But the longer this bloody thing hangs around in large numbers, isn't the greater the chance of vaccine resistant strains developing?
I have read that this particular virus, or perhaps corona viruses in general, has limited ways it can mutate. I don't recall the details.
@mik said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
But the longer this bloody thing hangs around in large numbers, isn't the greater the chance of vaccine resistant strains developing?
I have read that this particular virus, or perhaps corona viruses in general, has limited ways it can mutate. I don't recall the details.
I had hear that too. It has something to do with the structure of the "spike protein" and the limits to that structure.
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@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
But the longer this bloody thing hangs around in large numbers, isn't the greater the chance of vaccine resistant strains developing?
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the US unvaccinated accounts for .02% of the global unvaccinated. This virus isn’t going anywhere for a long time even if the US had 100% vaccination...
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Organisms (including viruses) adapt primarily due to environmental pressures. Odds are that a vaccine resistant strain will develop from the vaccinated. Not the unvaccinated.
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New vaccines are still being developed that target the actual virus and not the protein spikes. Those should minimize any danger from the various mutations.
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@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
But the longer this bloody thing hangs around in large numbers, isn't the greater the chance of vaccine resistant strains developing?
Hence the booster shot for us and no vaccine maker has warned that a booster for any mutant strain might not work Not so great for much of the world.
But to your point the odds of a mutant strain resistant to current vaccines is much higher than non zero. Same problem for the “ I already had covid and don’t need a shot” crowd.
@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
But to your point the odds of a mutant strain resistant to current vaccines is much higher than non zero. Same problem for the “ I already had covid and don’t need a shot” crowd.
Not really. Your vaccination protects you by identifying the spike protein. Natural Immunity recognizes the virus itself. That would take one hell of a mutation...
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@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
But to your point the odds of a mutant strain resistant to current vaccines is much higher than non zero. Same problem for the “ I already had covid and don’t need a shot” crowd.
Not really. Your vaccination protects you by identifying the spike protein. Natural Immunity recognizes the virus itself. That would take one hell of a mutation...
@lufins-dad said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@loki said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@doctor-phibes said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
But to your point the odds of a mutant strain resistant to current vaccines is much higher than non zero. Same problem for the “ I already had covid and don’t need a shot” crowd.
Not really. Your vaccination protects you by identifying the spike protein. Natural Immunity recognizes the virus itself. That would take one hell of a mutation...
Be careful with this
This question doesn't depend on the immunology
This is the Rand Paul vs Tony Fauci question
Mr. Paul says I already had covid and don’t need a shot
Mr. Fauci says not true
Please check your politics to find the correct answer
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@LuFins-Dad Update?
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@LuFins-Dad Update?
@george-k He started feeling better almost exactly 24 hours after symptoms set in.
He is planning on reaching out to the College and asking if one shot combined with his prior case is enough.
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@george-k He started feeling better almost exactly 24 hours after symptoms set in.
He is planning on reaching out to the College and asking if one shot combined with his prior case is enough.
@lufins-dad said in Nothing worse than seeing your kid sick...:
@george-k He started feeling better almost exactly 24 hours after symptoms set in.
He is planning on reaching out to the College and asking if one shot combined with his prior case
Glad to hear he's feeling better already. If he was under the weather for only a day or two, maybe he'll be fine for a second round. I'm curious what he will hear from the college.
