Lab Leak?

[Rainman]

@kluurs said in Lab Leak?:

Not sure if this one has been posted - Medium

Thanks for the link.
A long, but fascinating article.
Read it, any you too will say "wow" and then, "damn."

Thanks, NIH!
Thanks, China!

[kluurs]

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

@kluurs said in Lab Leak?:

Not sure if this one has been posted - Medium

Thank you. While the article leans in one direction, I learned quite a bit. Of course it would be great to see China refute the points….if ever there warranted a “commission” to look at things this is it. Schumer, Pelloni, Schiff, Buehler?????

Early on I was thinking it was 2/3 that the lab had something to do with it. Now, I'm pretty close to a 95% certain that the lab was responsible.

[Jolly]

Would knowing earlier have any effect on the Presidential election?

[Rainman]

I believe this was a link from the long article:
https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-nature-magazines-ass-debunking-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2-claiming-covid-19-wasnt-from-a-lab/

Note this was published in March, 2020:
"Nature magazine has censored over 1,000 articles at the request of the Chinese government over the past several years, and runs columns sponsored by outside interests. And it seems pretty clear that their recent article, “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2” is just one more example of their influence. China bought off the head of Harvard’s chemistry department, you don’t think they could buy off run-of-the-mill research scientists scrambling for tenure and funding and publication? It’s absolutely horrific that so many scientists and researchers are taking part in what’s really clearly a disinformation campaign orchestrated by the Chinese Communist Party, and willfully spreading a smokescreen about something that’s already killed thousands and is projected to kill millions more across the planet.

"And while the mainstream corporate media mindless regurgitates claims from the Chinese government that are falsifiable with the simplest of google searches, allowing the public to be lulled into a false sense of security and complacency, and Reddit rapidly censors and moderates anything that might indicate that this virus leaked from a Chinese lab and so the Chinese government is to blame for this pandemic – sites like ZeroHedge, that have been at the forefront of keeping the lines of investigation open, have been banished from Twitter and marginalized."

Hey George, how do you make the text smaller when quoting?

[George K]

And that, my friends, is almost as big a story. I don't know how the "lab leak" story will end, but the fact that it was so blatantly suppressed by "scientists," the MSM and social media is a disgrace.

Where have we gone, now that even asking a question is verboten.

[Copper]

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

Would knowing earlier have any effect on the Presidential election?

I think there were 2 key issues in the presidential election.

People who hated Mr. Trump.

People who didn't hate Mr. Trump.

[Jolly]

Yeah, but a lot of people hated him because they drank deeply from the toilet bowl of bullshit that was fed to them daily, by much of the MSM.

The job of the media is to try to report the news, to inform the public so the republic can function. The media can be biased, as long as the people know that fact. To lie to the people, and claim no bias, makes a lying media no better than an enemy of the state.

[LuFins Dad]

The only way Covid impacted the election was no excuse mail in ballots and early voting.

[taiwan_girl]

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

Would knowing earlier have any effect on the Presidential election?

I dont think so. I think the one major reason for President Trump losing in the election was his response to the COVID.

Knowing how it came from (probably) would not have changed his response.

(Another major reason for the loss was the economy, but the economy would have been bad no matter where the virus came from. And yes, I agree that the economy going bad was not the fault of President Trump)

[Doctor Phibes]

@lufins-dad said in Lab Leak?:

The only way Covid impacted the election was no excuse mail in ballots and early voting.

Don't forget that all the dead people vote Democrat, and a ton of people died from Covid. Hence, President Biden.

Also, Covid killed more people than windmills killed birds, and Trump still complained more about the windmills than he did about Covid. So maybe some people thought 'What a twat, I'm voting Democrat! Fuck the birds!'.

Or maybe that's just one of those fantasy conversations that occurs in my head.

[LuFins Dad]

@doctor-phibes said in Lab Leak?:

@lufins-dad said in Lab Leak?:

The only way Covid impacted the election was no excuse mail in ballots and early voting.

Don't forget that all the dead people vote Democrat, and a ton of people died from Covid. Hence, President Biden.

Also, Covid killed more people than windmills killed birds, and Trump still complained more about the windmills than he did about Covid. So maybe some people thought 'What a twat, I'm voting Democrat! Fuck the birds!'.

Or maybe that's just one of those fantasy conversations that occurs in my head.

Seriously? I doubt many votes were changed by COVID. I do think there were a lot of people that did vote by mail that wouldn’t have voted if life was normal...

[Doctor Phibes]

@lufins-dad said in Lab Leak?:

Seriously?

No, not really. I thought that was kind of obvious

[Copper]

@lufins-dad said in Lab Leak?:

Seriously? I doubt many votes were changed by COVID.

No votes were changed by covid or the response to it

Only one thing mattered

Impolite behavior

[Loki]

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

Would knowing earlier have any effect on the Presidential election?

It might have if Trump hadn’t been so flippant to just call it the China flu and rather presented evidence and a cogent story. But he was too lazy and rather than lever the brain power of others just spouted.

[Jolly]

Wouldn't have mattered if had done a striptease in Time Square with the evidence tatooed on his butt.

If you haven't figured out this cover-up by know, you ain't trying....This was obvious within the first few months.

[Loki]

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

Wouldn't have mattered if had done a striptease in Time Square with the evidence tatooed on his butt.

If you haven't figured out this cover-up by know, you ain't trying....This was obvious within the first few months.

His China Flu sounded more like Obama birther than a real allegation. I never heard him make one disciplined argument on the topic.

[Jolly]

I don't look at a tree and argue that it's a tree. It's a tree.

[Copper]

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

I never heard him make one disciplined argument on the topic.

Unlike the thousands of intellectual papers on other topics he published during his four years.

[George K]

Seems that the Brits are part of the debunked conspiracy theory nuts:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-wuhan-lab-leak-is-feasible-say-british-spies-cvtxjjwpc

British intelligence services are now reportedly reassessing their position on the theory that COVID-19 leaked from a lab in China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology.

A Sunday report from the Sunday Times of London quotes British spies who initially dismissed the lab leak theory, but now say it is "feasible."

"There might be pockets of evidence that take us one way, and evidence that takes us another way," the paper quoted a source as saying. "The Chinese will lie either way. I don’t think we will ever know."

The quote comes as both the United States and Britain are stepping up calls for the World Health Organization to take a deeper look into the possible origins of COVID-19, including a new visit to China, where the first human infections were detected.

WHO and Chinese experts issued a first report in March that laid out four hypotheses about how the pandemic might have emerged. The joint team said the most likely scenario was that the coronavirus jumped into people from bats via an intermediary animal, and the prospect that it erupted from a laboratory was deemed "extremely unlikely."

The Biden administration wants to step up calls for China to be more open about the outbreak, aiming to head off complaints from opposition Republican senators that the president has not been tough enough, as well as to use the opportunity to press China on alleged obstruction.

Republicans, including former President Donald Trump, have promoted the theory that the virus emerged from a laboratory accident rather than naturally through human contact with an infected animal in China.

During an interview with CBS’ ‘Face The Nation’ on Sunday, former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb said accidental lab leaks "happen all the time."

But...Orange Man Bad.

[George K]

@george-k said in Lab Leak?:

I don't know how the "lab leak" story will end, but the fact that it was so blatantly suppressed by "scientists," the MSM and social media is a disgrace.

Snort: