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  • George KG George K

    @loki the question is simple: "Now, with more than half a million dead Americans, and, what, 3 million dead around the planet, do you still think it was 'worth it'?"

    Of course, this question is moot, because of the wet markets, right?

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    @george-k said in Lab Leak?:

    @loki the question is simple: "Now, with more than half a million dead Americans, and, what, 3 million dead around the planet, do you still think it was 'worth it'?"

    Of course, this question is moot, because of the wet markets, right?

    Believe it or not this is not a simple question. The world failed the pandemic test and it was gentle in terms of only killing a vulnerable population. We got our warning. But of course when you can’t a significant group to wear masks or get vaccines, the warning likely didn’t help as much as it should of.

    Many of those deaths could have been prevented by vaccinating at risk groups a month or two even early….some would say preventing a second Trump term was worth it.

    There is malevolence everywhere and picking on Fauci is a red herring and honestly irrelevant to any real question we should be asking.

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      Jolly
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      @loki said in Lab Leak?:

      The world failed the pandemic test and it was gentle in terms of only killing a vulnerable population.

      Test ain't over. Not yet.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Fauci's toast.

        The highest paid government worker in the country is a dead job walking. He just doesn't realize it, yet. The media that fawned on his every word and promoted the Trump=dolt story, is fixing to turn on him like a ravening wolf.

        CNN and PMSNBC will try to pin this one on Trump, but it ain't sticking. Too many smoking guns pointed Fauci's way...Didn't help that he flat lied to Dr. Paul, either.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          George K
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          Screen Shot 2021-05-29 at 6.50.47 AM.png

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            It would be interesting to ask him how he views his earlier statement, but it's still only an academic question unless accompanied by policy changes.

            I agree with Loki that the real deal here is China.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              It would be interesting to ask him how he views his earlier statement, but it's still only an academic question unless accompanied by policy changes.

              I agree with Loki that the real deal here is China.

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              @mik said in Lab Leak?:

              It would be interesting to ask him how he views his earlier statement, but it's still only an academic question unless accompanied by policy changes.

              I agree with Loki that the real deal here is China.

              Agree

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                George K
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                Yeah....

                https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9629563/Chinese-scientists-created-COVID-19-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.html

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  The coverup is indisputable and was known last year. That’s more than enough cause for international sanctions.

                  The Brad

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                    Not sure if this one has been posted - Medium

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                    • kluursK kluurs

                      Not sure if this one has been posted - Medium

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                      @kluurs said in Lab Leak?:

                      Not sure if this one has been posted - Medium

                      Thank you. While the article leans in one direction, I learned quite a bit. Of course it would be great to see China refute the points….if ever there warranted a “commission” to look at things this is it. Schumer, Pelloni, Schiff, Buehler?????

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                        Russia! Russia! Russia!

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • kluursK kluurs

                          Not sure if this one has been posted - Medium

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                          Rainman
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                          @kluurs said in Lab Leak?:

                          Not sure if this one has been posted - Medium

                          Thanks for the link.
                          A long, but fascinating article.
                          Read it, any you too will say "wow" and then, "damn."

                          Thanks, NIH!
                          Thanks, China!

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                            @kluurs said in Lab Leak?:

                            Not sure if this one has been posted - Medium

                            Thank you. While the article leans in one direction, I learned quite a bit. Of course it would be great to see China refute the points….if ever there warranted a “commission” to look at things this is it. Schumer, Pelloni, Schiff, Buehler?????

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                            @loki said in Lab Leak?:

                            @kluurs said in Lab Leak?:

                            Not sure if this one has been posted - Medium

                            Thank you. While the article leans in one direction, I learned quite a bit. Of course it would be great to see China refute the points….if ever there warranted a “commission” to look at things this is it. Schumer, Pelloni, Schiff, Buehler?????

                            Early on I was thinking it was 2/3 that the lab had something to do with it. Now, I'm pretty close to a 95% certain that the lab was responsible.

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                              Would knowing earlier have any effect on the Presidential election?

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                I believe this was a link from the long article:
                                https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-nature-magazines-ass-debunking-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2-claiming-covid-19-wasnt-from-a-lab/

                                Note this was published in March, 2020:
                                "Nature magazine has censored over 1,000 articles at the request of the Chinese government over the past several years, and runs columns sponsored by outside interests. And it seems pretty clear that their recent article, “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2” is just one more example of their influence. China bought off the head of Harvard’s chemistry department, you don’t think they could buy off run-of-the-mill research scientists scrambling for tenure and funding and publication? It’s absolutely horrific that so many scientists and researchers are taking part in what’s really clearly a disinformation campaign orchestrated by the Chinese Communist Party, and willfully spreading a smokescreen about something that’s already killed thousands and is projected to kill millions more across the planet.

                                "And while the mainstream corporate media mindless regurgitates claims from the Chinese government that are falsifiable with the simplest of google searches, allowing the public to be lulled into a false sense of security and complacency, and Reddit rapidly censors and moderates anything that might indicate that this virus leaked from a Chinese lab and so the Chinese government is to blame for this pandemic – sites like ZeroHedge, that have been at the forefront of keeping the lines of investigation open, have been banished from Twitter and marginalized."

                                Hey George, how do you make the text smaller when quoting?

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                                  George K
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                                  And that, my friends, is almost as big a story. I don't know how the "lab leak" story will end, but the fact that it was so blatantly suppressed by "scientists," the MSM and social media is a disgrace.

                                  Where have we gone, now that even asking a question is verboten.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    Would knowing earlier have any effect on the Presidential election?

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                                    @jolly said in Lab Leak?:

                                    Would knowing earlier have any effect on the Presidential election?

                                    I think there were 2 key issues in the presidential election.

                                    People who hated Mr. Trump.

                                    People who didn't hate Mr. Trump.

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                                      Yeah, but a lot of people hated him because they drank deeply from the toilet bowl of bullshit that was fed to them daily, by much of the MSM.

                                      The job of the media is to try to report the news, to inform the public so the republic can function. The media can be biased, as long as the people know that fact. To lie to the people, and claim no bias, makes a lying media no better than an enemy of the state.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        LuFins Dad
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                                        The only way Covid impacted the election was no excuse mail in ballots and early voting.

                                        The Brad

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          Would knowing earlier have any effect on the Presidential election?

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                                          @jolly said in Lab Leak?:

                                          Would knowing earlier have any effect on the Presidential election?

                                          I dont think so. I think the one major reason for President Trump losing in the election was his response to the COVID.

                                          Knowing how it came from (probably) would not have changed his response.

                                          (Another major reason for the loss was the economy, but the economy would have been bad no matter where the virus came from. And yes, I agree that the economy going bad was not the fault of President Trump)

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