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What war with China would look like

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    Secdef was in Pearl Harbor speaking on how new major conflicts would look very different than the largely uncontested adventures of the past two decades.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/09/01/what-war-with-china-could-look-like/

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • George KG Offline
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      (Haven't read the link yet, other than the first couple of paragraphs)

      If there's a lesson to be learned from the disruption of the Colonial pipeline this week, it's that our "infrastructure" is very, very vulnerable to hostile actors. The Chinese, Russians and others are very capable at this type of thing.

      I have little doubt that we are as well, but I think the interference with supply of critical commodities will be the face of the next major conflict, rather than bombers drones doing damage to cities.

      And then, there's EMP...

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Sealift capability.

        We don't have it.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • George KG George K

          (Haven't read the link yet, other than the first couple of paragraphs)

          If there's a lesson to be learned from the disruption of the Colonial pipeline this week, it's that our "infrastructure" is very, very vulnerable to hostile actors. The Chinese, Russians and others are very capable at this type of thing.

          I have little doubt that we are as well, but I think the interference with supply of critical commodities will be the face of the next major conflict, rather than bombers drones doing damage to cities.

          And then, there's EMP...

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          @george-k said in What war with China would look like:

          If there's a lesson to be learned from the disruption of the Colonial pipeline this week, it's that our "infrastructure" is very, very vulnerable to hostile actors. The Chinese, Russians and others are very capable at this type of thing.

          Yeah our infrastructure...bridges, electricity grid, oil pipeline, even the internet data centers in LD’s backyard that traffic 80% of the worlds internet...we have so many single point of failures in terms of infrastructure vulnerabilities.

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            Biggest single-point failure:

            alt text

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • George KG George K

              (Haven't read the link yet, other than the first couple of paragraphs)

              If there's a lesson to be learned from the disruption of the Colonial pipeline this week, it's that our "infrastructure" is very, very vulnerable to hostile actors. The Chinese, Russians and others are very capable at this type of thing.

              I have little doubt that we are as well, but I think the interference with supply of critical commodities will be the face of the next major conflict, rather than bombers drones doing damage to cities.

              And then, there's EMP...

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              @george-k said in What war with China would look like:

              If there's a lesson to be learned from the disruption of the Colonial pipeline this week, it's that our "infrastructure" is very, very vulnerable to hostile actors. The Chinese, Russians and others are very capable at this type of thing.

              The odds are good that the Russia and China have many weak spots in their infrastructure too, we just don’t read about it in the news.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                @george-k said in What war with China would look like:

                If there's a lesson to be learned from the disruption of the Colonial pipeline this week, it's that our "infrastructure" is very, very vulnerable to hostile actors. The Chinese, Russians and others are very capable at this type of thing.

                The odds are good that the Russia and China have many weak spots in their infrastructure too, we just don’t read about it in the news.

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                @axtremus said in What war with China would look like:

                The odds are good that the Russia and China have many weak spots in their infrastructure too

                I said that, didn't I?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  China and Russia aren't very green, that will hurt them

                  They aren't very woke either

                  When the time comes they will get cancelled by google

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    When China says "Jump!" , Google asks "How high?" .

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Not just Google, but also Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, etc. Apple is probably worse than others because, while the likes of Google, Facebook, and Microsoft derive revenues from China, Apple is also highly reliant on China for the manufacturing of its hardware products.

                      Despite China blocking access to Google from within China, businesses in China still buy advertisements from Google. Lots of entertainment content produced by businesses in China is available on Google's YouTube.

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