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  • A Axtremus
    12 May 2021, 16:34

    How do you like them electric vehicles now?

    Srsly, though, I think this pipeline thing will be resolved in a few days. Sucks if you are already running out of gas now, but my guess is that supply and pricing should come back to normal ranges in a few days to a week's time. It's computer software problem, not hardware infrastructure damage, so fixing it should be relatively quick.

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    Loki
    wrote on 12 May 2021, 16:58 last edited by
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    @axtremus said in Considering the Jones Act...:

    How do you like them electric vehicles now?

    Srsly, though, I think this pipeline thing will be resolved in a few days. Sucks if you are already running out of gas now, but my guess is that supply and pricing should come back to normal ranges in a few days to a week's time. It's computer software problem, not hardware infrastructure damage, so fixing it should be relatively quick.

    I think you are 100% right. No way to stop the hoarding of gas though so in the short run we will be inundated with pictures of gas lines and talk of 1970’s redux. It’s a personal choice if you want to watch or do something else.

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on 12 May 2021, 17:08 last edited by
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      I just filled the tank after reading this - it can't hurt. I think we get our gas from elsewhere, but I figured it's better to buy in case they jack the price up.

      I was only joking

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        Mik
        wrote on 12 May 2021, 17:11 last edited by
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        Yeah, it really only affects up to NYC I think.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Jolly
          wrote on 12 May 2021, 18:02 last edited by
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          I had to buy gas this morning. It's always higher out here than in town.

          $2.72/gallon, Shell regular, no waiting. Of course, all of ours is trucked in.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • J Jolly
            12 May 2021, 18:02

            I had to buy gas this morning. It's always higher out here than in town.

            $2.72/gallon, Shell regular, no waiting. Of course, all of ours is trucked in.

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 12 May 2021, 18:11 last edited by
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            @jolly said in Considering the Jones Act...:

            I had to buy gas this morning. It's always higher out here than in town.

            $2.72/gallon, Shell regular, no waiting. Of course, all of ours is trucked in.

            The price at Costco was $2.79, most of the regular stations are between $2.89 and $3.05.

            @89th @Aqua-Letifer @Copper The Chantilly Costco line was all the way back to Rt. 50 when I left. Sterling Costco was shut down for a while by the police because the parking lot was impassable and they were creating a hazard on 7 East and Cascades.

            The Brad

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              Copper
              wrote on 12 May 2021, 18:18 last edited by
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              I heard there are big lines around here, I haven't looked yet.

              I think I put fewer than 1,000 miles on my car in the last year.

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                Loki
                wrote on 12 May 2021, 18:20 last edited by
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                The mass hysteria over events that will pass really should be studied, not that the results will change behavior but at least we will understand why we behave that way.

                Interrupting your day to save twenty cents a gallon and stopping at Starbucks for the known wait is pretty funny when you think about it.

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                • J Jolly
                  12 May 2021, 18:02

                  I had to buy gas this morning. It's always higher out here than in town.

                  $2.72/gallon, Shell regular, no waiting. Of course, all of ours is trucked in.

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 12 May 2021, 18:25 last edited by Copper 5 Dec 2021, 18:26
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                  @lufins-dad said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                  @89th @Aqua-Letifer @Copper The Chantilly Costco line was all the way back to Rt. 50 when I left.

                  I can picture that

                  My plan is to never see anything like that again

                  I never bought the Chantilly Costco gas, I thought of those pumps as something new and never got around to trying them. But I did spend a lot of time in that Costco.

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                  • L LuFins Dad
                    12 May 2021, 18:11

                    @jolly said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                    I had to buy gas this morning. It's always higher out here than in town.

                    $2.72/gallon, Shell regular, no waiting. Of course, all of ours is trucked in.

                    The price at Costco was $2.79, most of the regular stations are between $2.89 and $3.05.

                    @89th @Aqua-Letifer @Copper The Chantilly Costco line was all the way back to Rt. 50 when I left. Sterling Costco was shut down for a while by the police because the parking lot was impassable and they were creating a hazard on 7 East and Cascades.

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                    Aqua Letifer
                    wrote on 12 May 2021, 19:07 last edited by
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                    @lufins-dad said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                    @89th @Aqua-Letifer @Copper The Chantilly Costco line was all the way back to Rt. 50 when I left. Sterling Costco was shut down for a while by the police because the parking lot was impassable and they were creating a hazard on 7 East and Cascades.

                    Calm, cool, and collected. That's exactly what comes to mind when I think of NoVa people. Especially while driving.

                    Please love yourself.

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                      Horace
                      wrote on 12 May 2021, 19:09 last edited by
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                      No lines for gas here.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • L Loki
                        12 May 2021, 16:58

                        @axtremus said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                        How do you like them electric vehicles now?

                        Srsly, though, I think this pipeline thing will be resolved in a few days. Sucks if you are already running out of gas now, but my guess is that supply and pricing should come back to normal ranges in a few days to a week's time. It's computer software problem, not hardware infrastructure damage, so fixing it should be relatively quick.

                        I think you are 100% right. No way to stop the hoarding of gas though so in the short run we will be inundated with pictures of gas lines and talk of 1970’s redux. It’s a personal choice if you want to watch or do something else.

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 12 May 2021, 19:20 last edited by
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                        @loki said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                        @axtremus said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                        How do you like them electric vehicles now?

                        Srsly, though, I think this pipeline thing will be resolved in a few days. Sucks if you are already running out of gas now, but my guess is that supply and pricing should come back to normal ranges in a few days to a week's time. It's computer software problem, not hardware infrastructure damage, so fixing it should be relatively quick.

                        I think you are 100% right. No way to stop the hoarding of gas though so in the short run we will be inundated with pictures of gas lines and talk of 1970’s redux. It’s a personal choice if you want to watch or do something else.

                        I think the supply chain runs a lot thinner than you guys think. There may be a strategic reserve of some size, but on the consumer end? Not much more than a week. Most people fill their tanks once a week. How long has the pipeline been down? Coming up on a week. Over 40% of Virginia’s gas stations are empty, and I did not see anybody there filling up tankers. It was all personal vehicles. I doubt much hoarding is happening, and is it panic buying when you need gas and stations are running out with the earliest possible relief still 4 days away at the soonest?

                        The Brad

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                        • L LuFins Dad
                          12 May 2021, 19:20

                          @loki said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                          @axtremus said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                          How do you like them electric vehicles now?

                          Srsly, though, I think this pipeline thing will be resolved in a few days. Sucks if you are already running out of gas now, but my guess is that supply and pricing should come back to normal ranges in a few days to a week's time. It's computer software problem, not hardware infrastructure damage, so fixing it should be relatively quick.

                          I think you are 100% right. No way to stop the hoarding of gas though so in the short run we will be inundated with pictures of gas lines and talk of 1970’s redux. It’s a personal choice if you want to watch or do something else.

                          I think the supply chain runs a lot thinner than you guys think. There may be a strategic reserve of some size, but on the consumer end? Not much more than a week. Most people fill their tanks once a week. How long has the pipeline been down? Coming up on a week. Over 40% of Virginia’s gas stations are empty, and I did not see anybody there filling up tankers. It was all personal vehicles. I doubt much hoarding is happening, and is it panic buying when you need gas and stations are running out with the earliest possible relief still 4 days away at the soonest?

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                          Loki
                          wrote on 12 May 2021, 19:28 last edited by
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                          @lufins-dad said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                          @loki said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                          @axtremus said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                          How do you like them electric vehicles now?

                          Srsly, though, I think this pipeline thing will be resolved in a few days. Sucks if you are already running out of gas now, but my guess is that supply and pricing should come back to normal ranges in a few days to a week's time. It's computer software problem, not hardware infrastructure damage, so fixing it should be relatively quick.

                          I think you are 100% right. No way to stop the hoarding of gas though so in the short run we will be inundated with pictures of gas lines and talk of 1970’s redux. It’s a personal choice if you want to watch or do something else.

                          I think the supply chain runs a lot thinner than you guys think. There may be a strategic reserve of some size, but on the consumer end? Not much more than a week. Most people fill their tanks once a week. How long has the pipeline been down? Coming up on a week. Over 40% of Virginia’s gas stations are empty, and I did not see anybody there filling up tankers. It was all personal vehicles. I doubt much hoarding is happening, and is it panic buying when you need gas and stations are running out with the earliest possible relief still 4 days away at the soonest?

                          You could be right but is this bigger than the Suez Canal problem? It went from catastrophe to nothing burger.

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 12 May 2021, 19:31 last edited by
                            #30

                            No lines here either. $2.38 at Costco Monday.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 12 May 2021, 19:44 last edited by Jolly 5 Dec 2021, 19:45
                              #31

                              You know, I hate it when the tree fell on my 500 gallon skid tank...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • L Loki
                                12 May 2021, 19:28

                                @lufins-dad said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                @loki said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                @axtremus said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                How do you like them electric vehicles now?

                                Srsly, though, I think this pipeline thing will be resolved in a few days. Sucks if you are already running out of gas now, but my guess is that supply and pricing should come back to normal ranges in a few days to a week's time. It's computer software problem, not hardware infrastructure damage, so fixing it should be relatively quick.

                                I think you are 100% right. No way to stop the hoarding of gas though so in the short run we will be inundated with pictures of gas lines and talk of 1970’s redux. It’s a personal choice if you want to watch or do something else.

                                I think the supply chain runs a lot thinner than you guys think. There may be a strategic reserve of some size, but on the consumer end? Not much more than a week. Most people fill their tanks once a week. How long has the pipeline been down? Coming up on a week. Over 40% of Virginia’s gas stations are empty, and I did not see anybody there filling up tankers. It was all personal vehicles. I doubt much hoarding is happening, and is it panic buying when you need gas and stations are running out with the earliest possible relief still 4 days away at the soonest?

                                You could be right but is this bigger than the Suez Canal problem? It went from catastrophe to nothing burger.

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 12 May 2021, 21:11 last edited by
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                                @loki said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                @lufins-dad said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                @loki said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                @axtremus said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                How do you like them electric vehicles now?

                                Srsly, though, I think this pipeline thing will be resolved in a few days. Sucks if you are already running out of gas now, but my guess is that supply and pricing should come back to normal ranges in a few days to a week's time. It's computer software problem, not hardware infrastructure damage, so fixing it should be relatively quick.

                                I think you are 100% right. No way to stop the hoarding of gas though so in the short run we will be inundated with pictures of gas lines and talk of 1970’s redux. It’s a personal choice if you want to watch or do something else.

                                I think the supply chain runs a lot thinner than you guys think. There may be a strategic reserve of some size, but on the consumer end? Not much more than a week. Most people fill their tanks once a week. How long has the pipeline been down? Coming up on a week. Over 40% of Virginia’s gas stations are empty, and I did not see anybody there filling up tankers. It was all personal vehicles. I doubt much hoarding is happening, and is it panic buying when you need gas and stations are running out with the earliest possible relief still 4 days away at the soonest?

                                You could be right but is this bigger than the Suez Canal problem? It went from catastrophe to nothing burger.

                                The Suez Canal problem is wreaking chaos throughout international shipping and manufacturing and will be causing these problems to linger for months to come. Did you know there were containers full of the precious semiconductors car manufacturers are screaming for on board the Ever Given? That delay is costing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of business down the line. Car Dealers are laying off employees because they don’t have enough inventory and customers are laying off buying because the prices for new and used cars are inflated. The shortage now was before the Suez Canal issue. That just delayed the recovery by months.

                                The Brad

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                                • L LuFins Dad
                                  12 May 2021, 21:11

                                  @loki said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                  @lufins-dad said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                  @loki said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                  @axtremus said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                  How do you like them electric vehicles now?

                                  Srsly, though, I think this pipeline thing will be resolved in a few days. Sucks if you are already running out of gas now, but my guess is that supply and pricing should come back to normal ranges in a few days to a week's time. It's computer software problem, not hardware infrastructure damage, so fixing it should be relatively quick.

                                  I think you are 100% right. No way to stop the hoarding of gas though so in the short run we will be inundated with pictures of gas lines and talk of 1970’s redux. It’s a personal choice if you want to watch or do something else.

                                  I think the supply chain runs a lot thinner than you guys think. There may be a strategic reserve of some size, but on the consumer end? Not much more than a week. Most people fill their tanks once a week. How long has the pipeline been down? Coming up on a week. Over 40% of Virginia’s gas stations are empty, and I did not see anybody there filling up tankers. It was all personal vehicles. I doubt much hoarding is happening, and is it panic buying when you need gas and stations are running out with the earliest possible relief still 4 days away at the soonest?

                                  You could be right but is this bigger than the Suez Canal problem? It went from catastrophe to nothing burger.

                                  The Suez Canal problem is wreaking chaos throughout international shipping and manufacturing and will be causing these problems to linger for months to come. Did you know there were containers full of the precious semiconductors car manufacturers are screaming for on board the Ever Given? That delay is costing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of business down the line. Car Dealers are laying off employees because they don’t have enough inventory and customers are laying off buying because the prices for new and used cars are inflated. The shortage now was before the Suez Canal issue. That just delayed the recovery by months.

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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on 12 May 2021, 22:51 last edited by
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                                  Leesburg Costco Pumps are flowing and being refilled come and get em

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                                  • L LuFins Dad
                                    12 May 2021, 18:11

                                    @jolly said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                    I had to buy gas this morning. It's always higher out here than in town.

                                    $2.72/gallon, Shell regular, no waiting. Of course, all of ours is trucked in.

                                    The price at Costco was $2.79, most of the regular stations are between $2.89 and $3.05.

                                    @89th @Aqua-Letifer @Copper The Chantilly Costco line was all the way back to Rt. 50 when I left. Sterling Costco was shut down for a while by the police because the parking lot was impassable and they were creating a hazard on 7 East and Cascades.

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                                    89th
                                    wrote on 12 May 2021, 23:13 last edited by
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                                    @lufins-dad said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                    @jolly said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                    I had to buy gas this morning. It's always higher out here than in town.

                                    $2.72/gallon, Shell regular, no waiting. Of course, all of ours is trucked in.

                                    The price at Costco was $2.79, most of the regular stations are between $2.89 and $3.05.

                                    @89th @Aqua-Letifer @Copper The Chantilly Costco line was all the way back to Rt. 50 when I left. Sterling Costco was shut down for a while by the police because the parking lot was impassable and they were creating a hazard on 7 East and Cascades.

                                    I topped off using premium 93 today, all the other regular 87 pumps were barely dripping out. My Honda Accord says I have about 580 miles until empty now.

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                                    • L Loki
                                      12 May 2021, 18:20

                                      The mass hysteria over events that will pass really should be studied, not that the results will change behavior but at least we will understand why we behave that way.

                                      Interrupting your day to save twenty cents a gallon and stopping at Starbucks for the known wait is pretty funny when you think about it.

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on 13 May 2021, 01:07 last edited by
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                                      @loki said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                      The mass hysteria over events that will pass really should be studied, not that the results will change behavior but at least we will understand why we behave that way.

                                      Interrupting your day to save twenty cents a gallon and stopping at Starbucks for the known wait is pretty funny when you think about it.

                                      Yes, I agree. It is like last year at the start of COVID with people buying stuff.

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                                      • A Axtremus
                                        12 May 2021, 16:34

                                        How do you like them electric vehicles now?

                                        Srsly, though, I think this pipeline thing will be resolved in a few days. Sucks if you are already running out of gas now, but my guess is that supply and pricing should come back to normal ranges in a few days to a week's time. It's computer software problem, not hardware infrastructure damage, so fixing it should be relatively quick.

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                                        Axtremus
                                        wrote on 13 May 2021, 01:33 last edited by
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                                        @axtremus said in Considering the Jones Act...:

                                        Srsly, though, I think this pipeline thing will be resolved in a few days. Sucks if you are already running out of gas now, but my guess is that supply and pricing should come back to normal ranges in a few days to a week's time. It's computer software problem, not hardware infrastructure damage, so fixing it should be relatively quick.

                                        The Colonial pipeline resumed flowing:

                                        https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/2021/05/12/colonial-pipeline-gas-shortage-operations-resume-asheville-nc/5064248001/

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                                          Axtremus
                                          wrote on 13 May 2021, 11:28 last edited by Axtremus
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                                          DarkSide apologizes:
                                          https://www.newsweek.com/colonial-pipeline-hackers-darkside-apologize-say-goal-make-money-1590327

                                          The hacker group responsible for the ransomware attack that crippled the Colonial Pipeline has issued an apology, saying its goal was not in "creating problems for society" but "to make money."
                                          .
                                          ... the hacker group issued an unusual apology for the attack later the same day, saying it would "introduce moderation" to "avoid social consequences in the future" and insisted that it was entirely profit-driven and "apolitical", in a statement posted to the dark web.
                                          .
                                          "We are apolitical, we do not participate in geopolitics, [you] do not need to tie us with a defined government and look for ... our motives," ...

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