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In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak

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    @jon-nyc said in [In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak]> > > >

    Temporary is a feature and if you get substantially below 1 there's no need to sustain because new cases will be manageable through contact tracing.

    Wuhan supposedly got their R down to about 0.3. At that number you could go from 10k new cases a day down to under 100 in just 4 weeks. We've been locked down for about 6 weeks now.

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    @jon-nyc said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

    @jon-nyc said in [In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak]> > > >

    We've been locked down for about 6 weeks now.

    Some of us have been locked down.

    Most have just had a few snow days playing video games.

    After that they went right back to costco, walmart and lowes.

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      For those who are sincerely interested in the letter R here is an interesting link, although I certainly don’t understand the math.

      https://mrc-ide.github.io/covid19-short-term-forecasts/#content

      For those who are not interested in r, just move along to s,t, u v,w....etc.

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        Only non-witches get due process.

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          I must admit I have no idea what your prediction was. My frame was hospital utilization and deaths i.e the crisis in NYC. Obviously you are talking about something else.

          The real key is if summer has impact. At one point Fauci expressed confidence it would die down with warmth and come back in the fall. I have no idea what the current thought on a pause due to weather is.

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            @jon-nyc said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

            My logic from above:

            • our shutdown measures were insufficient to get the reproductive rate down below 1. That was based on data from Wuhan and Europe.

            • a sharp drop in R but to a level greater than 1 will only lead to a temporary decline in cases/deaths, then they start rising inexorably from a new, lower base.

            • the temporary decline will be interpreted as victory and will lead to a loosening of mitigation measures, which then increases the reproductive rate even more.

            That was my logic above. Unfortunately it seems to be playing out.

            Another specific prediction was:

            When we look back from, say, the end of the year, we will not see April as the month with the most cases or the most deaths.

            All this was stated in the second week of April.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              CDC expects 3k deaths per day in May.

              https://www.nationalreview.com/news/internal-cdc-models-project-3000-daily-covid-deaths-by-june-1/

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                CDC expects 3k deaths per day in May.

                https://www.nationalreview.com/news/internal-cdc-models-project-3000-daily-covid-deaths-by-june-1/

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                @jon-nyc

                Yup. With a total death toll north of 200K.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Hi. Posting from NYC. Same tag as before.

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                    Hey man! Long time no see!

                    How's the fam?

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Good. You? Thought of you recently. Nice stats/science posting!

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                        Hanging tight, you know I moved to Westchester, no? I think I last saw you at the boy's birthday party maybe a year before we moved.

                        He'll be 11 next month. Your oldest is a teenager by now, right? 15?

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          Yes. We now have three.

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                            Eldest goes to one of the Specialized HSs. Thriving with lots of friends.

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                              What is your take on the open up stuff? I suspect actual mobility among the population is not that different. Under shelter in place some people push the edges, under open for business many stay home.

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                                Hong Kong is interesting. High density, subways, near Wuhan. 5 fatalities. Near universal mask wearing. Maybe miracle technology is a mask. Just speculating.

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                                  Larry disappears, Jeffrey appears.

                                  Coincidence?

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                                    New Zealand, Taiwan, Hong Kong. Island pandemic success stories. Any landmass success stories? Greece, Finland? What worked and what didn’t. I am surprised there is not more country comparison analysis to guide future policy.

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                                      Copper - How are you? I’ll try to post like Larry. He had a distinctive literary style. Can you still fly? You were/are an amateur pilot, no?

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                                        Larry and Jolly disappeared at the same time, so NS's theory that they're the same person has been vindicated.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          I became a commercial pilot and flight instructor and bought a few planes. I taught for about 10 years. Last year I moved to southern Virginia and it has been over a year now since I've flown. I might still get hooked back up. I have kept my instructor certificate and medical current.

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