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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

    And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

    That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

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    @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

    @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

    And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

    That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

    I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents. Then, the law can deal with those incidents.

    I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Catseye3
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      It could also be a way for French lawmakers to discourage Muslim immigration.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

        @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

        And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

        That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

        I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents. Then, the law can deal with those incidents.

        I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        #12

        @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

        I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents.

        Then what's the point of the test?

        I was only joking

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

          @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

          And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

          That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

          I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents. Then, the law can deal with those incidents.

          I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

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          Doctor Phibes
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          #13

          @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

          I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

          Then what's the point of the test?

          I was only joking

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          • Catseye3C Catseye3

            It could also be a way for French lawmakers to discourage Muslim immigration.

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            @catseye3 said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

            It could also be a way for French lawmakers to discourage Muslim immigration.

            Could be...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

              @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

              And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

              That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

              I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents. Then, the law can deal with those incidents.

              I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

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              Doctor Phibes
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              #15

              @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

              I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents. Then, the law can deal with those incidents.

              How is the law going to deal with the fact that nobody wants to marry some poor girl because she failed a test, and that she becomes an outcast to her family?

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

                Then what's the point of the test?

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                @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

                Then what's the point of the test?

                Cultural.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #17

                  Pretty much all the anti-Islamic sentiment that I've read here over the years is associated with terrorism, a practice that has been carried out by a miniscule minority of the muslim population.

                  If you want to criticise something that a much larger proportion of Muslims engage in, as well as those of other faiths, it should be in their attitudes to women's rights. And yes, it's not really an Islamic thing, but a cultural one, as the awful rape statistics in India amongst Hindus can attest.

                  I was only joking

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    Pretty much all the anti-Islamic sentiment that I've read here over the years is associated with terrorism, a practice that has been carried out by a miniscule minority of the muslim population.

                    If you want to criticise something that a much larger proportion of Muslims engage in, as well as those of other faiths, it should be in their attitudes to women's rights. And yes, it's not really an Islamic thing, but a cultural one, as the awful rape statistics in India amongst Hindus can attest.

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                    @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                    Pretty much all the anti-Islamic sentiment that I've read here over the years is associated with terrorism, a practice that has been carried out by a miniscule minority of the muslim population.

                    If you want to criticise something that a much larger proportion of Muslims engage in, as well as those of other faiths, it should be in their attitudes to women's rights. And yes, it's not really an Islamic thing, but a cultural one, as the awful rape statistics in India amongst Hindus can attest.

                    A French Muslim women does not have to participate. She can tell her family to piss up a rope, for all I care. The Koran does not specifically call for virgin brides, even if the writer was screwing a virgin child bride.

                    The practice does not bother me, until at such time they use force or other unlawful tactics to ensure compliance.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      The government should not be forbidding this.

                      It might be stupid or cruel, but there doesn't seem to be forced participation.

                      If they want to do it, I think it is nobody's business, certainly not the government's.

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                        Renauda
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                        #20

                        The government should be forbidding this.

                        It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                        If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          The government should be forbidding this.

                          It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                          If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          @renauda said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                          The government should be forbidding this.

                          It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                          If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

                          +1

                          I was only joking

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                            Once again, this is all symbol by the left-leaning and all substance by the right-leaning. The story is clear that historically and culturally, this practice occurs outside of official medical channels. So to those who value the practice, they will do it outside those channels, if it is most expedient to do so. This is a non-issue, but pounced upon by those who want to enforce their own idea of virtue by mobbing up with the government.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Renauda
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                              From your perspective Horace, I am sure you are probably right.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                The government should be forbidding this.

                                It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

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                                @renauda said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                The government should be forbidding this.

                                It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

                                Ok, First Nation citizens of Canada do not have to obey the same game laws as other citizens.

                                I think that should be forbidden.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @renauda said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                  The government should be forbidding this.

                                  It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                  If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

                                  Ok, First Nation citizens of Canada do not have to obey the same game laws as other citizens.

                                  I think that should be forbidden.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #25

                                  @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                  @renauda said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                  The government should be forbidding this.

                                  It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                  If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

                                  Ok, First Nation citizens of Canada do not have to obey the same game laws as other citizens.

                                  I think that should be forbidden.

                                  I think you're full of shit 😆

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                    @renauda said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                    The government should be forbidding this.

                                    It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                    If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

                                    Ok, First Nation citizens of Canada do not have to obey the same game laws as other citizens.

                                    I think that should be forbidden.

                                    I think you're full of shit 😆

                                    JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
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                                    #26

                                    @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                    @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                    @renauda said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                    The government should be forbidding this.

                                    It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                    If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

                                    Ok, First Nation citizens of Canada do not have to obey the same game laws as other citizens.

                                    I think that should be forbidden.

                                    I think you're full of shit 😆

                                    Nah, the game law thing is true.

                                    It's the flip side of what you are advocating in this thread, of which neither makes sense...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      Once again, this is all symbol by the left-leaning and all substance by the right-leaning. The story is clear that historically and culturally, this practice occurs outside of official medical channels. So to those who value the practice, they will do it outside those channels, if it is most expedient to do so. This is a non-issue, but pounced upon by those who want to enforce their own idea of virtue by mobbing up with the government.

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                                      Doctor Phibes
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                                      #27

                                      @horace said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                      Once again, this is all symbol by the left-leaning and all substance by the right-leaning.

                                      Once again, Horace sets us straight. Thanks Horace.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @renauda said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                        The government should be forbidding this.

                                        It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                        If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

                                        Ok, First Nation citizens of Canada do not have to obey the same game laws as other citizens.

                                        I think that should be forbidden.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #28

                                        @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                        Ok, First Nation citizens of Canada do not have to obey the same game laws as other citizens.
                                        I think that should be forbidden.

                                        I agree, and those hunting and fishing rights should be abrogated. First Nations and some Metis have year round hunting rights on Crown lands and special fishing rights the rest of us do not. It may have made sense 150 years ago, but it does not any more.

                                        So what's your point and what does this have to do with virginity certification on Muslim women and girls in France?

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                          @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                          And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

                                          That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

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                                          @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                          @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                          And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

                                          That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

                                          Bingo

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