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  • D Doctor Phibes
    2 Apr 2021, 11:58

    It's an appalling concept. The woman presumably knows whether she's a virgin or not. It's nobody else's business.

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    Jolly
    wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 12:39 last edited by
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    @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

    It's an appalling concept. The woman presumably knows whether she's a virgin or not. It's nobody else's business.

    Which is fine by me. But I'm not Muslim.

    I can see forcing them to change some things like the burka, since that can hinder identification, but the virginity stuff is not a detriment to society.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • D Doctor Phibes
      2 Apr 2021, 11:58

      It's an appalling concept. The woman presumably knows whether she's a virgin or not. It's nobody else's business.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 12:40 last edited by
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      @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

      It's an appalling concept. The woman presumably knows whether she's a virgin or not. It's nobody else's business.

      And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • J Jolly
        2 Apr 2021, 12:39

        @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

        It's an appalling concept. The woman presumably knows whether she's a virgin or not. It's nobody else's business.

        Which is fine by me. But I'm not Muslim.

        I can see forcing them to change some things like the burka, since that can hinder identification, but the virginity stuff is not a detriment to society.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 12:41 last edited by
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        @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

        @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

        It's an appalling concept. The woman presumably knows whether she's a virgin or not. It's nobody else's business.

        Which is fine by me. But I'm not Muslim.

        I can see forcing them to change some things like the burka, since that can hinder identification, but the virginity stuff is not a detriment to society.

        It's at odds with the values of French society. You're always saying that immigrants should assimilate. This would be a good opportunity.

        I was only joking

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        • D Doctor Phibes
          2 Apr 2021, 12:41

          @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

          @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

          It's an appalling concept. The woman presumably knows whether she's a virgin or not. It's nobody else's business.

          Which is fine by me. But I'm not Muslim.

          I can see forcing them to change some things like the burka, since that can hinder identification, but the virginity stuff is not a detriment to society.

          It's at odds with the values of French society. You're always saying that immigrants should assimilate. This would be a good opportunity.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 13:09 last edited by
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          @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

          @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

          @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

          It's an appalling concept. The woman presumably knows whether she's a virgin or not. It's nobody else's business.

          Which is fine by me. But I'm not Muslim.

          I can see forcing them to change some things like the burka, since that can hinder identification, but the virginity stuff is not a detriment to society.

          It's at odds with the values of French society. You're always saying that immigrants should assimilate. This would be a good opportunity.

          I do believe immigrants ought to assimilate, but this a cultural practice where I can find no downside to French society.

          How does it negatively impact other French citizens?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • J Jolly
            2 Apr 2021, 12:40

            @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

            It's an appalling concept. The woman presumably knows whether she's a virgin or not. It's nobody else's business.

            And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 13:09 last edited by
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            @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

            And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

            That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

            I was only joking

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            • D Doctor Phibes
              2 Apr 2021, 13:09

              @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

              And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

              That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 13:10 last edited by Jolly 4 Feb 2021, 13:12
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              @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

              @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

              And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

              That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

              I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents. Then, the law can deal with those incidents.

              I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Catseye3
                wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 13:13 last edited by
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                It could also be a way for French lawmakers to discourage Muslim immigration.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                • J Jolly
                  2 Apr 2021, 13:10

                  @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                  @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                  And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

                  That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

                  I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents. Then, the law can deal with those incidents.

                  I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 13:16 last edited by
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                  @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                  I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents.

                  Then what's the point of the test?

                  I was only joking

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                  • J Jolly
                    2 Apr 2021, 13:10

                    @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                    @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                    And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

                    That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

                    I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents. Then, the law can deal with those incidents.

                    I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 13:17 last edited by
                    #13

                    @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                    I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

                    Then what's the point of the test?

                    I was only joking

                    J 1 Reply Last reply 2 Apr 2021, 13:26
                    • C Catseye3
                      2 Apr 2021, 13:13

                      It could also be a way for French lawmakers to discourage Muslim immigration.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 13:20 last edited by
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                      @catseye3 said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                      It could also be a way for French lawmakers to discourage Muslim immigration.

                      Could be...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • J Jolly
                        2 Apr 2021, 13:10

                        @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                        @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                        And let's expand this one a bit...Why is virginity a bad concept?

                        That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is what are the consequences of a failed test.

                        I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents. Then, the law can deal with those incidents.

                        I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 13:22 last edited by
                        #15

                        @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                        I suspect not a lot, except in isolated incidents. Then, the law can deal with those incidents.

                        How is the law going to deal with the fact that nobody wants to marry some poor girl because she failed a test, and that she becomes an outcast to her family?

                        I was only joking

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                        • D Doctor Phibes
                          2 Apr 2021, 13:17

                          @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                          I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

                          Then what's the point of the test?

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 13:26 last edited by Jolly 4 Feb 2021, 13:26
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                          @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                          @jolly said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                          I also suspect many young women with virginity certificates may not be virgins.

                          Then what's the point of the test?

                          Cultural.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 13:28 last edited by Doctor Phibes 4 Feb 2021, 13:29
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                            Pretty much all the anti-Islamic sentiment that I've read here over the years is associated with terrorism, a practice that has been carried out by a miniscule minority of the muslim population.

                            If you want to criticise something that a much larger proportion of Muslims engage in, as well as those of other faiths, it should be in their attitudes to women's rights. And yes, it's not really an Islamic thing, but a cultural one, as the awful rape statistics in India amongst Hindus can attest.

                            I was only joking

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                            • D Doctor Phibes
                              2 Apr 2021, 13:28

                              Pretty much all the anti-Islamic sentiment that I've read here over the years is associated with terrorism, a practice that has been carried out by a miniscule minority of the muslim population.

                              If you want to criticise something that a much larger proportion of Muslims engage in, as well as those of other faiths, it should be in their attitudes to women's rights. And yes, it's not really an Islamic thing, but a cultural one, as the awful rape statistics in India amongst Hindus can attest.

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 13:33 last edited by
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                              @doctor-phibes said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                              Pretty much all the anti-Islamic sentiment that I've read here over the years is associated with terrorism, a practice that has been carried out by a miniscule minority of the muslim population.

                              If you want to criticise something that a much larger proportion of Muslims engage in, as well as those of other faiths, it should be in their attitudes to women's rights. And yes, it's not really an Islamic thing, but a cultural one, as the awful rape statistics in India amongst Hindus can attest.

                              A French Muslim women does not have to participate. She can tell her family to piss up a rope, for all I care. The Koran does not specifically call for virgin brides, even if the writer was screwing a virgin child bride.

                              The practice does not bother me, until at such time they use force or other unlawful tactics to ensure compliance.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 15:24 last edited by
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                                The government should not be forbidding this.

                                It might be stupid or cruel, but there doesn't seem to be forced participation.

                                If they want to do it, I think it is nobody's business, certainly not the government's.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 15:50 last edited by Renauda 4 Feb 2021, 16:01
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                                  The government should be forbidding this.

                                  It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                  If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • R Renauda
                                    2 Apr 2021, 15:50

                                    The government should be forbidding this.

                                    It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                    If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 15:59 last edited by
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                                    @renauda said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                    The government should be forbidding this.

                                    It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                    If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

                                    +1

                                    I was only joking

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 16:07 last edited by
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                                      Once again, this is all symbol by the left-leaning and all substance by the right-leaning. The story is clear that historically and culturally, this practice occurs outside of official medical channels. So to those who value the practice, they will do it outside those channels, if it is most expedient to do so. This is a non-issue, but pounced upon by those who want to enforce their own idea of virtue by mobbing up with the government.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 16:21 last edited by
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                                        From your perspective Horace, I am sure you are probably right.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • R Renauda
                                          2 Apr 2021, 15:50

                                          The government should be forbidding this.

                                          It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                          If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 2 Apr 2021, 16:30 last edited by
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                                          @renauda said in French Government Says No to Virginity Test:

                                          The government should be forbidding this.

                                          It is stupid, tribal and cruelly invasive, and I am more than certain it is forced on Muslim women and girls.

                                          If Muslims want to do it, they can consult a licensed physician practicing in a Muslim country but so long as they reside in France it is the business of French government whether or not to permit medical certification of a woman's virginity.

                                          Ok, First Nation citizens of Canada do not have to obey the same game laws as other citizens.

                                          I think that should be forbidden.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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