Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!
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Not an Odyssey, but we are leaning towards a Honda Pilot. 3.5 Liter 6 -Cylinder that cuts 0-60 in 5.9 seconds... Not bad. Decent cargo space and a roof rack.
I still might break one of my rules, though. I normally always buy pre-owned (I like to get 2 years old with 20K miles on it) but we might actually purchase new. I'm only seeing a 10% difference between new and used and new is offering 0% for 60 Months...
Contender #2 is the Volkswagen Atlas. Anybody have any experience? @Klaus ?
The other contender is a Challenger Scat Pack Wide Body. 6.2L V8 that cuts 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. Yeah, the kids will be cramped, but they'll have a blast....
The Brad
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This spring I’ll probably buy a Mazda CX-5 with a 4 cyl turbo that makes 250HP and does 0-60 in 6.1s.
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Here are some SUVs, but they’re all quite big and on the pricey side.
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Karla's Ford Fusion recently passed the 200K mark. It is a 2012 and even though she has taken immaculate care of it and wants to put work into it to get it to 300K, I think it's time to retire the car. She needs AC work that will cost $1500, plus, at this age I think we should have the engine and transmission mounts replaced, the seals checked, and countless other little things. If everything went perfect, it's still going to be at least $3,000 and I'm sure that we will find other issues.
I've started researching her picks for a new vehicle if this does need replaced. Her first choice is a Subaru Outback (her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder. So I started searching for other wagon/crossover SUVS. They are all 4 cylinder. Apparently my 2013 Terrain was the last 6 they built. I can't find a 6 until going all the way up to Ford Explorer, and at that weight the engine should be a frigging V8...
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I've heard all the crap about a 4 cylinder being as powerful as a 6, and that's exactly what it is, crap. I can't tell you how many 4 cylinders I blow past in my Terrain. But all the people with their weak little 4 cylinder vehicles tell themselves that to make them feel better.
So, any suggestions for a decent newish crossover with a big enough engine that it's not going to blow out trying to climb the hills of Western PA and MD? Or do I need to consider bumping her up to a truck?
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
...her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
I drove the Ecoboost Mustang when it first came out - actually rented one for the weekend. I think it is a twin turbo. That sucker has balls. Way more scoot than the now-discontinued V6 Mustang. Get it for her. She deserves it. When our first was born we only had two-door cars. It isn't that much trouble.
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Karla's Ford Fusion recently passed the 200K mark. It is a 2012 and even though she has taken immaculate care of it and wants to put work into it to get it to 300K, I think it's time to retire the car. She needs AC work that will cost $1500, plus, at this age I think we should have the engine and transmission mounts replaced, the seals checked, and countless other little things. If everything went perfect, it's still going to be at least $3,000 and I'm sure that we will find other issues.
I've started researching her picks for a new vehicle if this does need replaced. Her first choice is a Subaru Outback (her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder. So I started searching for other wagon/crossover SUVS. They are all 4 cylinder. Apparently my 2013 Terrain was the last 6 they built. I can't find a 6 until going all the way up to Ford Explorer, and at that weight the engine should be a frigging V8...
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I've heard all the crap about a 4 cylinder being as powerful as a 6, and that's exactly what it is, crap. I can't tell you how many 4 cylinders I blow past in my Terrain. But all the people with their weak little 4 cylinder vehicles tell themselves that to make them feel better.
So, any suggestions for a decent newish crossover with a big enough engine that it's not going to blow out trying to climb the hills of Western PA and MD? Or do I need to consider bumping her up to a truck?
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
Now all that said above about the Mustang is NOT true about my 2019 VW Jetta with a 1.4 liter turbo and auto transmission. That thing has terrible turbo lag. Don't ever expect to get out of anyone's way, at least not without 2 second's notice.
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@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
...her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
I drove the Ecoboost Mustang when it first came out - actually rented one for the weekend. I think it is a twin turbo. That sucker has balls. Way more scoot than the now-discontinued V6 Mustang. Get it for her. She deserves it. When our first was born we only had two-door cars. It isn't that much trouble.
@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
...her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
I drove the Ecoboost Mustang when it first came out - actually rented one for the weekend. I think it is a twin turbo. That sucker has balls. Way more scoot than the now-discontinued V6 Mustang. Get it for her. She deserves it. When our first was born we only had two-door cars. It isn't that much trouble.
LOL, The 4 cylinder comment was referring to the Outback... The real issue with the Mustang isn’t just the doors, it’s the rear wheel drive. We get enough crappy roads down here that I wouldn’t want to take a rear wheel drive out and about in January and February.
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@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
...her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
I drove the Ecoboost Mustang when it first came out - actually rented one for the weekend. I think it is a twin turbo. That sucker has balls. Way more scoot than the now-discontinued V6 Mustang. Get it for her. She deserves it. When our first was born we only had two-door cars. It isn't that much trouble.
LOL, The 4 cylinder comment was referring to the Outback... The real issue with the Mustang isn’t just the doors, it’s the rear wheel drive. We get enough crappy roads down here that I wouldn’t want to take a rear wheel drive out and about in January and February.
Yeah, not so much fun in snow and ice. Too bad I don't think Subaru has their turbo motor that they were putting in their Forester a model or two ago. It had something like 240 hp and was pretty much a beast.
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From the interwebs: "There is a new turbocharged BOXER engine that powers the Ascent, Outback, and Legacy. The new 2.4L turbo BOXER generates 260 horsepower and 277 lb. -ft. of torque on all three Subaru models."
Maybe it deserves a test drive. I let my subscription to Car and Driver lapse, so am a bit in the dark these days about new cars.
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From the interwebs: "There is a new turbocharged BOXER engine that powers the Ascent, Outback, and Legacy. The new 2.4L turbo BOXER generates 260 horsepower and 277 lb. -ft. of torque on all three Subaru models."
Maybe it deserves a test drive. I let my subscription to Car and Driver lapse, so am a bit in the dark these days about new cars.
@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
From the interwebs: "There is a new turbocharged BOXER engine that powers the Ascent, Outback, and Legacy. The new 2.4L turbo BOXER generates 260 horsepower and 277 lb. -ft. of torque on all three Subaru models."
Maybe it deserves a test drive. I let my subscription to Car and Driver lapse, so am a bit in the dark these days about new cars.
That test drive would have to be out of state on the Turnpike in PA...
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@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.
@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.
My son (car nut with encyclopedic knowledge) corrected me after I posted it. The entry Mustang is a 4cyl.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
-Cormac McCarthy -
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
Now all that said above about the Mustang is NOT true about my 2019 VW Jetta with a 1.4 liter turbo and auto transmission. That thing has terrible turbo lag. Don't ever expect to get out of anyone's way, at least not without 2 second's notice.
@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
my 2019 VW Jetta with a 1.4 liter turbo and auto transmission
When I was looking to go down to 1 car (getting rid of the A6 and the 328) I drove that Jetta. Though nicely appointed, it was a dog when it came to performance. I've read that the Jetta GLI is a much better contender.
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@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.
My son (car nut with encyclopedic knowledge) corrected me after I posted it. The entry Mustang is a 4cyl.
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.
My son (car nut with encyclopedic knowledge) corrected me after I posted it. The entry Mustang is a 4cyl.
The time is drawing near - what are you thinking about for him?
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.
My son (car nut with encyclopedic knowledge) corrected me after I posted it. The entry Mustang is a 4cyl.
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
The entry Mustang is a 4cyl.
I'm looking at the Ford site, and I guess the 2.3L EcoBoost is the entry level.
"It’s a Mustang engine, so you know it packs a punch.
• 310 horsepower
• 350 lb.-ft. of torque*
• Turbocharging and direct injection
• Twin independent variable camshaft timing (Ti-VCT)"Note, it doesn't say how many cylinders, presumably because it's a 4-banger.
Oh, and an automatic transmission is a cool $1600 extra.
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@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.
My son (car nut with encyclopedic knowledge) corrected me after I posted it. The entry Mustang is a 4cyl.
The time is drawing near - what are you thinking about for him?
@mik said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
The time is drawing near - what are you thinking about for him?
Car wise? He’s still 11. Got a ways. He’ll likely not get his own car in high school unless I want to use it as a convenient excuse to upgrade mine.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
-Cormac McCarthy -
@xenon said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.
You're not necessarily wrong, but you're probably an edge case .
There's nothing stopping carmakers from making V6s. It's a very competitive, if they thought they could make more money - more would offer it.
The demographic of people who go smaller SUV + want good towing capacity, incline performance is probably small.
You'll likely have to look up-market, full-size SUV for what you want.
What I’d really like is a nice van. Karla’s absolutely dead set against that, though. She’s trying to balance responsibility with maybe a bit of a midlife crisis? She wants the features of a minivan on something that isn’t a minivan. These crossover SUV’s seem to fill the niche of neither, IMO. I get more practical trunk space and a larger and nicer interior in a sedan than a crossover SUV... A Camry or Avalon would be my second choice.
I think the compromise might be a midsized pickup.
I think we migh
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
What I’d really like is a nice van. Karla’s absolutely dead set against that, though. She’s trying to balance responsibility with maybe a bit of a midlife crisis? She wants the features of a minivan on something that isn’t a minivan. These crossover SUV’s seem to fill the niche of neither, IMO. I get more practical trunk space and a larger and nicer interior in a sedan than a crossover SUV... A Camry or Avalon would be my second choice.
How about an Odyssey EX-L with a flaming paint job?
For trunk space, the CR-V (crossover SUV) have almost twice the trunk space of an Avalon, maybe you want more storage area rather then more space on the vertical dimension?Srsly, if you to strap a baby seat in the cabin, preferably in the second row, or to seat four in general and still have lots of cargo area, a minivan like Odyssey is hard to beat.
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@LuFins-Dad I’ve heard the Pilot is great. Not sure I get the 0-60 factor, will you be racing people at the red light?
We really like Honda, and buying new isn’t as different from used these days. We have an Accord and CR-V. Will probably sell one soon and get the van (or pilot), prob the van. For me the biggest factor now is being able to move my drivers seat back without hitting a car seat!
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Not an Odyssey, but we are leaning towards a Honda Pilot. 3.5 Liter 6 -Cylinder that cuts 0-60 in 5.9 seconds... Not bad. Decent cargo space and a roof rack.
I still might break one of my rules, though. I normally always buy pre-owned (I like to get 2 years old with 20K miles on it) but we might actually purchase new. I'm only seeing a 10% difference between new and used and new is offering 0% for 60 Months...
Contender #2 is the Volkswagen Atlas. Anybody have any experience? @Klaus ?
The other contender is a Challenger Scat Pack Wide Body. 6.2L V8 that cuts 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. Yeah, the kids will be cramped, but they'll have a blast....
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
Not an Odyssey, but we are leaning towards a Honda Pilot. 3.5 Liter 6 -Cylinder that cuts 0-60 in 5.9 seconds... Not bad. Decent cargo space and a roof rack.
I still might break one of my rules, though. I normally always buy pre-owned (I like to get 2 years old with 20K miles on it) but we might actually purchase new. I'm only seeing a 10% difference between new and used and new is offering 0% for 60 Months...
Contender #2 is the Volkswagen Atlas. Anybody have any experience? @Klaus ?
The other contender is a Challenger Scat Pack Wide Body. 6.2L V8 that cuts 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. Yeah, the kids will be cramped, but they'll have a blast....
My daughter has a Pilot.
She loves it.
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If you go Honda (Odyssey or Pilot) - try to get the tier with the 10 speed Honda-homegrown transmission instead of the ZF 9-speed.
Honda’s on average are very reliable, but to the extent there are any issues, it’s more with the ZF transmission.
(I did a fair bit of research, was very close to buying an Odyssey).
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@mik said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
The time is drawing near - what are you thinking about for him?
Car wise? He’s still 11. Got a ways. He’ll likely not get his own car in high school unless I want to use it as a convenient excuse to upgrade mine.
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@mik said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
The time is drawing near - what are you thinking about for him?
Car wise? He’s still 11. Got a ways. He’ll likely not get his own car in high school unless I want to use it as a convenient excuse to upgrade mine.
Don't you have a 15-year-old low mileage Corolla? That would be perfect!
