Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!
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0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.
A large number of drivers I get stuck behind take a good ten seconds to notice the lights have freaking changed, so it's totally irrelevant.
Never bloody mind how many cyclinders you've got. STOP LOOKING AT THE DAMN PHONE!
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0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.
You're not necessarily wrong, but you're probably an edge case .
There's nothing stopping carmakers from making V6s. It's a very competitive, if they thought they could make more money - more would offer it.
The demographic of people who go smaller SUV + want good towing capacity, incline performance is probably small.
You'll likely have to look up-market, full-size SUV for what you want.
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I found a good breakdown:
https://www.hallcars.com/blog/should-i-get-a-v6-or-a-turbocharged-four-cylinder-engine/
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
I found a good breakdown:
https://www.hallcars.com/blog/should-i-get-a-v6-or-a-turbocharged-four-cylinder-engine/
This is a good article lufins-dad posted. If you don't know the difference between turbo and non-turbo, or if you do not know what "turbo lag" or "naturally aspirated" means, read this short article.
Insurance companies are touting their "safe drive" approach to track people's driving habits. I figured it was in part because they know that 4-cyl turbo cars are fun to lead-foot, and people in general run the hell out of them.
Someone made the observation that it's not 0 - 60 that is so important. Rather, it's something like 35 - 90, when you need to punch it to pass some dork and need to get around a whole herd of dorks. Yes, and knowing what a power curve is and when it peaks on your particular vehicle, that kind of stuff is important.
My diesel is at 1600 rpm while going 80 in 8th gear. And I still have trouble trying to figure out (feels weird) how a diesel develops so much power in terms of torque at such a low rpm. The Audi's were designed for that Autobahn thing, where you drive like a crazy person until you screw up and your life ends in a huge ball of fire. Or not.
Fun talking about cars again. Trump doesn't drive, W00t!!
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@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.
You're not necessarily wrong, but you're probably an edge case .
There's nothing stopping carmakers from making V6s. It's a very competitive, if they thought they could make more money - more would offer it.
The demographic of people who go smaller SUV + want good towing capacity, incline performance is probably small.
You'll likely have to look up-market, full-size SUV for what you want.
@xenon said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.
You're not necessarily wrong, but you're probably an edge case .
There's nothing stopping carmakers from making V6s. It's a very competitive, if they thought they could make more money - more would offer it.
The demographic of people who go smaller SUV + want good towing capacity, incline performance is probably small.
You'll likely have to look up-market, full-size SUV for what you want.
What I’d really like is a nice van. Karla’s absolutely dead set against that, though. She’s trying to balance responsibility with maybe a bit of a midlife crisis? She wants the features of a minivan on something that isn’t a minivan. These crossover SUV’s seem to fill the niche of neither, IMO. I get more practical trunk space and a larger and nicer interior in a sedan than a crossover SUV... A Camry or Avalon would be my second choice.
I think the compromise might be a midsized pickup.
I think we migh
The Brad
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Didn’t you have a van? I seem to remember you dropping me off at my hotel in one after beers many moons ago.
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
Didn’t you have a van? I seem to remember you dropping me off at my hotel in one after beers many moons ago.
Yep. Ran that sucker into the ground.
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Not an Odyssey, but we are leaning towards a Honda Pilot. 3.5 Liter 6 -Cylinder that cuts 0-60 in 5.9 seconds... Not bad. Decent cargo space and a roof rack.
I still might break one of my rules, though. I normally always buy pre-owned (I like to get 2 years old with 20K miles on it) but we might actually purchase new. I'm only seeing a 10% difference between new and used and new is offering 0% for 60 Months...
Contender #2 is the Volkswagen Atlas. Anybody have any experience? @Klaus ?
The other contender is a Challenger Scat Pack Wide Body. 6.2L V8 that cuts 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. Yeah, the kids will be cramped, but they'll have a blast....
The Brad
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This spring I’ll probably buy a Mazda CX-5 with a 4 cyl turbo that makes 250HP and does 0-60 in 6.1s.
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Here are some SUVs, but they’re all quite big and on the pricey side.
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Karla's Ford Fusion recently passed the 200K mark. It is a 2012 and even though she has taken immaculate care of it and wants to put work into it to get it to 300K, I think it's time to retire the car. She needs AC work that will cost $1500, plus, at this age I think we should have the engine and transmission mounts replaced, the seals checked, and countless other little things. If everything went perfect, it's still going to be at least $3,000 and I'm sure that we will find other issues.
I've started researching her picks for a new vehicle if this does need replaced. Her first choice is a Subaru Outback (her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder. So I started searching for other wagon/crossover SUVS. They are all 4 cylinder. Apparently my 2013 Terrain was the last 6 they built. I can't find a 6 until going all the way up to Ford Explorer, and at that weight the engine should be a frigging V8...
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I've heard all the crap about a 4 cylinder being as powerful as a 6, and that's exactly what it is, crap. I can't tell you how many 4 cylinders I blow past in my Terrain. But all the people with their weak little 4 cylinder vehicles tell themselves that to make them feel better.
So, any suggestions for a decent newish crossover with a big enough engine that it's not going to blow out trying to climb the hills of Western PA and MD? Or do I need to consider bumping her up to a truck?
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
...her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
I drove the Ecoboost Mustang when it first came out - actually rented one for the weekend. I think it is a twin turbo. That sucker has balls. Way more scoot than the now-discontinued V6 Mustang. Get it for her. She deserves it. When our first was born we only had two-door cars. It isn't that much trouble.
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Karla's Ford Fusion recently passed the 200K mark. It is a 2012 and even though she has taken immaculate care of it and wants to put work into it to get it to 300K, I think it's time to retire the car. She needs AC work that will cost $1500, plus, at this age I think we should have the engine and transmission mounts replaced, the seals checked, and countless other little things. If everything went perfect, it's still going to be at least $3,000 and I'm sure that we will find other issues.
I've started researching her picks for a new vehicle if this does need replaced. Her first choice is a Subaru Outback (her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder. So I started searching for other wagon/crossover SUVS. They are all 4 cylinder. Apparently my 2013 Terrain was the last 6 they built. I can't find a 6 until going all the way up to Ford Explorer, and at that weight the engine should be a frigging V8...
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I've heard all the crap about a 4 cylinder being as powerful as a 6, and that's exactly what it is, crap. I can't tell you how many 4 cylinders I blow past in my Terrain. But all the people with their weak little 4 cylinder vehicles tell themselves that to make them feel better.
So, any suggestions for a decent newish crossover with a big enough engine that it's not going to blow out trying to climb the hills of Western PA and MD? Or do I need to consider bumping her up to a truck?
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
Now all that said above about the Mustang is NOT true about my 2019 VW Jetta with a 1.4 liter turbo and auto transmission. That thing has terrible turbo lag. Don't ever expect to get out of anyone's way, at least not without 2 second's notice.
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@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
...her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
I drove the Ecoboost Mustang when it first came out - actually rented one for the weekend. I think it is a twin turbo. That sucker has balls. Way more scoot than the now-discontinued V6 Mustang. Get it for her. She deserves it. When our first was born we only had two-door cars. It isn't that much trouble.
@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
...her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
I drove the Ecoboost Mustang when it first came out - actually rented one for the weekend. I think it is a twin turbo. That sucker has balls. Way more scoot than the now-discontinued V6 Mustang. Get it for her. She deserves it. When our first was born we only had two-door cars. It isn't that much trouble.
LOL, The 4 cylinder comment was referring to the Outback... The real issue with the Mustang isn’t just the doors, it’s the rear wheel drive. We get enough crappy roads down here that I wouldn’t want to take a rear wheel drive out and about in January and February.
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@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
...her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
I drove the Ecoboost Mustang when it first came out - actually rented one for the weekend. I think it is a twin turbo. That sucker has balls. Way more scoot than the now-discontinued V6 Mustang. Get it for her. She deserves it. When our first was born we only had two-door cars. It isn't that much trouble.
LOL, The 4 cylinder comment was referring to the Outback... The real issue with the Mustang isn’t just the doors, it’s the rear wheel drive. We get enough crappy roads down here that I wouldn’t want to take a rear wheel drive out and about in January and February.
Yeah, not so much fun in snow and ice. Too bad I don't think Subaru has their turbo motor that they were putting in their Forester a model or two ago. It had something like 240 hp and was pretty much a beast.
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From the interwebs: "There is a new turbocharged BOXER engine that powers the Ascent, Outback, and Legacy. The new 2.4L turbo BOXER generates 260 horsepower and 277 lb. -ft. of torque on all three Subaru models."
Maybe it deserves a test drive. I let my subscription to Car and Driver lapse, so am a bit in the dark these days about new cars.
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From the interwebs: "There is a new turbocharged BOXER engine that powers the Ascent, Outback, and Legacy. The new 2.4L turbo BOXER generates 260 horsepower and 277 lb. -ft. of torque on all three Subaru models."
Maybe it deserves a test drive. I let my subscription to Car and Driver lapse, so am a bit in the dark these days about new cars.
@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
From the interwebs: "There is a new turbocharged BOXER engine that powers the Ascent, Outback, and Legacy. The new 2.4L turbo BOXER generates 260 horsepower and 277 lb. -ft. of torque on all three Subaru models."
Maybe it deserves a test drive. I let my subscription to Car and Driver lapse, so am a bit in the dark these days about new cars.
That test drive would have to be out of state on the Turnpike in PA...
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@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.
@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.
My son (car nut with encyclopedic knowledge) corrected me after I posted it. The entry Mustang is a 4cyl.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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@lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.
Now all that said above about the Mustang is NOT true about my 2019 VW Jetta with a 1.4 liter turbo and auto transmission. That thing has terrible turbo lag. Don't ever expect to get out of anyone's way, at least not without 2 second's notice.
@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
my 2019 VW Jetta with a 1.4 liter turbo and auto transmission
When I was looking to go down to 1 car (getting rid of the A6 and the 328) I drove that Jetta. Though nicely appointed, it was a dog when it came to performance. I've read that the Jetta GLI is a much better contender.
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@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.
My son (car nut with encyclopedic knowledge) corrected me after I posted it. The entry Mustang is a 4cyl.
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.
My son (car nut with encyclopedic knowledge) corrected me after I posted it. The entry Mustang is a 4cyl.
The time is drawing near - what are you thinking about for him?
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@kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.
Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.
My son (car nut with encyclopedic knowledge) corrected me after I posted it. The entry Mustang is a 4cyl.
@jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:
The entry Mustang is a 4cyl.
I'm looking at the Ford site, and I guess the 2.3L EcoBoost is the entry level.
"It’s a Mustang engine, so you know it packs a punch.
• 310 horsepower
• 350 lb.-ft. of torque*
• Turbocharging and direct injection
• Twin independent variable camshaft timing (Ti-VCT)"Note, it doesn't say how many cylinders, presumably because it's a 4-banger.
Oh, and an automatic transmission is a cool $1600 extra.
