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  • KlausK Klaus

    @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

    Yeah, yeah, yeah... I've heard all the crap about a 4 cylinder being as powerful as a 6, and that's exactly what it is, crap. I can't tell you how many 4 cylinders I blow past in my Terrain. But all the people with their weak little 4 cylinder vehicles tell themselves that to make them feel better.

    Do you have any real data to back up that claim? Maybe it’s you who tells himself something to make himself feel better?

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    @klaus said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

    @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

    Yeah, yeah, yeah... I've heard all the crap about a 4 cylinder being as powerful as a 6, and that's exactly what it is, crap. I can't tell you how many 4 cylinders I blow past in my Terrain. But all the people with their weak little 4 cylinder vehicles tell themselves that to make them feel better.

    Do you have any real data to back up that claim? Maybe it’s you who tells himself something to make himself feel better?

    You can definitely feel a smaller engine let you know it’s making a lot of effort.

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      And when that turbo quits, reach for your wallet...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        @jon-nyc the problem is those big pricey SUV’s with the 6 really need to be V8. It’s about weight load.

        My wife had a 4 back in 98-06. It was a fun little ride. Little being the operative word. It also still suffered on long inclines.

        The Brad

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          I found a good breakdown:

          https://www.hallcars.com/blog/should-i-get-a-v6-or-a-turbocharged-four-cylinder-engine/

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            Karla's Ford Fusion recently passed the 200K mark. It is a 2012 and even though she has taken immaculate care of it and wants to put work into it to get it to 300K, I think it's time to retire the car. She needs AC work that will cost $1500, plus, at this age I think we should have the engine and transmission mounts replaced, the seals checked, and countless other little things. If everything went perfect, it's still going to be at least $3,000 and I'm sure that we will find other issues.

            I've started researching her picks for a new vehicle if this does need replaced. Her first choice is a Subaru Outback (her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder. So I started searching for other wagon/crossover SUVS. They are all 4 cylinder. Apparently my 2013 Terrain was the last 6 they built. I can't find a 6 until going all the way up to Ford Explorer, and at that weight the engine should be a frigging V8...

            Yeah, yeah, yeah... I've heard all the crap about a 4 cylinder being as powerful as a 6, and that's exactly what it is, crap. I can't tell you how many 4 cylinders I blow past in my Terrain. But all the people with their weak little 4 cylinder vehicles tell themselves that to make them feel better.

            So, any suggestions for a decent newish crossover with a big enough engine that it's not going to blow out trying to climb the hills of Western PA and MD? Or do I need to consider bumping her up to a truck?

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            A turbo 4 and a V6 that can go 0-60 in the same time, try test driving both. You hear and feel the difference. The great news is if you are used to the smaller engine, you will be fine. Just buy it. If you are used to all things the bigger engine, you will want to buy the larger engine again.

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              0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.

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                @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.

                Very true and the rubber meets the road with the confidence you feel in turning on to a busy road and crossing to make a left turn.

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.

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                  @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                  0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.

                  A large number of drivers I get stuck behind take a good ten seconds to notice the lights have freaking changed, so it's totally irrelevant.

                  Never bloody mind how many cyclinders you've got. STOP LOOKING AT THE DAMN PHONE!
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                  Sorry, I got distracted for a moment.

                  I was only joking

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.

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                    @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                    0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.

                    You're not necessarily wrong, but you're probably an edge case .

                    There's nothing stopping carmakers from making V6s. It's a very competitive, if they thought they could make more money - more would offer it.

                    The demographic of people who go smaller SUV + want good towing capacity, incline performance is probably small.

                    You'll likely have to look up-market, full-size SUV for what you want.

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      I found a good breakdown:

                      https://www.hallcars.com/blog/should-i-get-a-v6-or-a-turbocharged-four-cylinder-engine/

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                      @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                      I found a good breakdown:

                      https://www.hallcars.com/blog/should-i-get-a-v6-or-a-turbocharged-four-cylinder-engine/

                      This is a good article lufins-dad posted. If you don't know the difference between turbo and non-turbo, or if you do not know what "turbo lag" or "naturally aspirated" means, read this short article.

                      Insurance companies are touting their "safe drive" approach to track people's driving habits. I figured it was in part because they know that 4-cyl turbo cars are fun to lead-foot, and people in general run the hell out of them.

                      Someone made the observation that it's not 0 - 60 that is so important. Rather, it's something like 35 - 90, when you need to punch it to pass some dork and need to get around a whole herd of dorks. Yes, and knowing what a power curve is and when it peaks on your particular vehicle, that kind of stuff is important.

                      My diesel is at 1600 rpm while going 80 in 8th gear. And I still have trouble trying to figure out (feels weird) how a diesel develops so much power in terms of torque at such a low rpm. The Audi's were designed for that Autobahn thing, where you drive like a crazy person until you screw up and your life ends in a huge ball of fire. Or not.

                      Fun talking about cars again. Trump doesn't drive, W00t!!

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                        @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                        0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.

                        You're not necessarily wrong, but you're probably an edge case .

                        There's nothing stopping carmakers from making V6s. It's a very competitive, if they thought they could make more money - more would offer it.

                        The demographic of people who go smaller SUV + want good towing capacity, incline performance is probably small.

                        You'll likely have to look up-market, full-size SUV for what you want.

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                        @xenon said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                        @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                        0-60 is generally a poor metric, anyway. It’s very rare that you need to go from a standing position to 60mph in 7 seconds. 0-30? That’s a bit more practical. 0-20? Everyday...Those turbo 4s start slow and then catch it up on the backend of a level stretch. That lag is one of my main issues.

                        You're not necessarily wrong, but you're probably an edge case .

                        There's nothing stopping carmakers from making V6s. It's a very competitive, if they thought they could make more money - more would offer it.

                        The demographic of people who go smaller SUV + want good towing capacity, incline performance is probably small.

                        You'll likely have to look up-market, full-size SUV for what you want.

                        What I’d really like is a nice van. Karla’s absolutely dead set against that, though. She’s trying to balance responsibility with maybe a bit of a midlife crisis? She wants the features of a minivan on something that isn’t a minivan. These crossover SUV’s seem to fill the niche of neither, IMO. I get more practical trunk space and a larger and nicer interior in a sedan than a crossover SUV... A Camry or Avalon would be my second choice.

                        I think the compromise might be a midsized pickup.

                        I think we migh

                        The Brad

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                          Didn’t you have a van? I seem to remember you dropping me off at my hotel in one after beers many moons ago.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            Didn’t you have a van? I seem to remember you dropping me off at my hotel in one after beers many moons ago.

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                            @jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                            Didn’t you have a van? I seem to remember you dropping me off at my hotel in one after beers many moons ago.

                            Yep. Ran that sucker into the ground.

                            The Brad

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                              It was pretty close to ground at the time if I recall. lol

                              Wasn’t Aqua with us?

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                                Get her an Odyssey EX-L. She will love it.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Not an Odyssey, but we are leaning towards a Honda Pilot. 3.5 Liter 6 -Cylinder that cuts 0-60 in 5.9 seconds... Not bad. Decent cargo space and a roof rack.

                                  I still might break one of my rules, though. I normally always buy pre-owned (I like to get 2 years old with 20K miles on it) but we might actually purchase new. I'm only seeing a 10% difference between new and used and new is offering 0% for 60 Months...

                                  Contender #2 is the Volkswagen Atlas. Anybody have any experience? @Klaus ?

                                  The other contender is a Challenger Scat Pack Wide Body. 6.2L V8 that cuts 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. Yeah, the kids will be cramped, but they'll have a blast....

                                  The Brad

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    This spring I’ll probably buy a Mazda CX-5 with a 4 cyl turbo that makes 250HP and does 0-60 in 6.1s.

                                    You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.

                                    Here are some SUVs, but they’re all quite big and on the pricey side.

                                    https://carbuzz.com/cars/6-cylinder-suvs

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                                    @jon-nyc said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                                    You know what comes in a 6? The entry level mustang.

                                    Actually, no V6 in a Mustang for a few years now.

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      Karla's Ford Fusion recently passed the 200K mark. It is a 2012 and even though she has taken immaculate care of it and wants to put work into it to get it to 300K, I think it's time to retire the car. She needs AC work that will cost $1500, plus, at this age I think we should have the engine and transmission mounts replaced, the seals checked, and countless other little things. If everything went perfect, it's still going to be at least $3,000 and I'm sure that we will find other issues.

                                      I've started researching her picks for a new vehicle if this does need replaced. Her first choice is a Subaru Outback (her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder. So I started searching for other wagon/crossover SUVS. They are all 4 cylinder. Apparently my 2013 Terrain was the last 6 they built. I can't find a 6 until going all the way up to Ford Explorer, and at that weight the engine should be a frigging V8...

                                      Yeah, yeah, yeah... I've heard all the crap about a 4 cylinder being as powerful as a 6, and that's exactly what it is, crap. I can't tell you how many 4 cylinders I blow past in my Terrain. But all the people with their weak little 4 cylinder vehicles tell themselves that to make them feel better.

                                      So, any suggestions for a decent newish crossover with a big enough engine that it's not going to blow out trying to climb the hills of Western PA and MD? Or do I need to consider bumping her up to a truck?

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                                      @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                                      ...her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.

                                      I drove the Ecoboost Mustang when it first came out - actually rented one for the weekend. I think it is a twin turbo. That sucker has balls. Way more scoot than the now-discontinued V6 Mustang. Get it for her. She deserves it. When our first was born we only had two-door cars. It isn't that much trouble.

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        Karla's Ford Fusion recently passed the 200K mark. It is a 2012 and even though she has taken immaculate care of it and wants to put work into it to get it to 300K, I think it's time to retire the car. She needs AC work that will cost $1500, plus, at this age I think we should have the engine and transmission mounts replaced, the seals checked, and countless other little things. If everything went perfect, it's still going to be at least $3,000 and I'm sure that we will find other issues.

                                        I've started researching her picks for a new vehicle if this does need replaced. Her first choice is a Subaru Outback (her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder. So I started searching for other wagon/crossover SUVS. They are all 4 cylinder. Apparently my 2013 Terrain was the last 6 they built. I can't find a 6 until going all the way up to Ford Explorer, and at that weight the engine should be a frigging V8...

                                        Yeah, yeah, yeah... I've heard all the crap about a 4 cylinder being as powerful as a 6, and that's exactly what it is, crap. I can't tell you how many 4 cylinders I blow past in my Terrain. But all the people with their weak little 4 cylinder vehicles tell themselves that to make them feel better.

                                        So, any suggestions for a decent newish crossover with a big enough engine that it's not going to blow out trying to climb the hills of Western PA and MD? Or do I need to consider bumping her up to a truck?

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                                        @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                                        I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.

                                        Now all that said above about the Mustang is NOT true about my 2019 VW Jetta with a 1.4 liter turbo and auto transmission. That thing has terrible turbo lag. Don't ever expect to get out of anyone's way, at least not without 2 second's notice.

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                                        • KincaidK Kincaid

                                          @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                                          ...her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.

                                          I drove the Ecoboost Mustang when it first came out - actually rented one for the weekend. I think it is a twin turbo. That sucker has balls. Way more scoot than the now-discontinued V6 Mustang. Get it for her. She deserves it. When our first was born we only had two-door cars. It isn't that much trouble.

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                                          @kincaid said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                                          @lufins-dad said in Any vehicles with a V6 still being made?!:

                                          ...her real first choice is a Mustang, but she doesn't think it's a good car for an 18-month toddler). I started looking over the specs and noticed it only comes in a 4.5 liter 4 or 4.4 "turbo" 4. I'm sorry, but you can "turbo" the hell out of a 4 cylinder and it's still a 4 cylinder.

                                          I drove the Ecoboost Mustang when it first came out - actually rented one for the weekend. I think it is a twin turbo. That sucker has balls. Way more scoot than the now-discontinued V6 Mustang. Get it for her. She deserves it. When our first was born we only had two-door cars. It isn't that much trouble.

                                          LOL, The 4 cylinder comment was referring to the Outback... The real issue with the Mustang isn’t just the doors, it’s the rear wheel drive. We get enough crappy roads down here that I wouldn’t want to take a rear wheel drive out and about in January and February.

                                          The Brad

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