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  • L Loki
    27 Feb 2021, 18:54

    @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

    I haven't seen anything contradicting the testimony, have you?

    Absolutely. Investigators have discounted and moved on to other theories. I will admit I didn’t know either.

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 18:57 last edited by jon-nyc
    #30

    I've only read that he wasn't killed by blunt force trauma. I've not seen any source contradicting the testimony that he was hit.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      Copper
      wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:02 last edited by
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      See the video here - look for the extinguisher at 0:20

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/video-shows-rioter-throw-fire-extinguisher-at-police-during-capitol-attack/2021/01/14/1e75a543-7c61-43f2-a710-37edde925c0f_video.html

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      • C Copper
        27 Feb 2021, 19:02

        See the video here - look for the extinguisher at 0:20

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/video-shows-rioter-throw-fire-extinguisher-at-police-during-capitol-attack/2021/01/14/1e75a543-7c61-43f2-a710-37edde925c0f_video.html

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:05 last edited by
        #32

        I wonder how many of those vermin assaulting the cops posted blue lives matter memes on social media last summer.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • J jon-nyc
          27 Feb 2021, 18:57

          I've only read that he wasn't killed by blunt force trauma. I've not seen any source contradicting the testimony that he was hit.

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          Loki
          wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:10 last edited by
          #33

          @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

          I've only read that he wasn't killed by blunt force trauma. I've not seen any source contradicting the testimony that he was hit.

          Quote from his Mom:

          She said, ‘He wasn’t hit on the head no. We think he had a stroke, but we don’t know anything for sure.

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          • J jon-nyc
            27 Feb 2021, 18:52

            I haven't seen anything contradicting the testimony, have you?

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            George K
            wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:14 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

            I haven't seen anything contradicting the testimony, have you?

            From the article I cited:

            In the hours after Officer Sicknick was rushed to the hospital, officials initially said that he had been struck with a fire extinguisher. They later said that there was no evidence to support that he had died from any blunt force trauma. More recently, F.B.I. officials homed in on the potential role of an irritant as a primary factor in his death.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

            J 1 Reply Last reply 27 Feb 2021, 19:15
            • G George K
              27 Feb 2021, 19:14

              @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

              I haven't seen anything contradicting the testimony, have you?

              From the article I cited:

              In the hours after Officer Sicknick was rushed to the hospital, officials initially said that he had been struck with a fire extinguisher. They later said that there was no evidence to support that he had died from any blunt force trauma. More recently, F.B.I. officials homed in on the potential role of an irritant as a primary factor in his death.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:15 last edited by jon-nyc
              #35

              @george-k Right - like I said, I had seen reports that he didn't die from it, but none contradicting the testimony that he was hit. His mother says he wasn't hit on the head. But I don't know if the original testimony was specific as to where he was hit.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
              L 1 Reply Last reply 27 Feb 2021, 19:19
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                Horace
                wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:17 last edited by
                #36

                You should start hitting the bear spray aspect, jon. It's of greater rhetorical value, and probably closer to the truth.

                Education is extremely important.

                J 1 Reply Last reply 27 Feb 2021, 19:24
                • J jon-nyc
                  27 Feb 2021, 19:15

                  @george-k Right - like I said, I had seen reports that he didn't die from it, but none contradicting the testimony that he was hit. His mother says he wasn't hit on the head. But I don't know if the original testimony was specific as to where he was hit.

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                  Loki
                  wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:19 last edited by Loki
                  #37

                  @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                  @george-k Right - like I said, I had seen reports that he didn't die from it, but none contradicting the testimony that he was hit. His mother says he wasn't hit on the head. But I don't know if the original testimony was specific as to where he was hit.

                  She saw him Jon. You going to discount a Mom’s account??? Maybe it nearly grazed him?

                  J 1 Reply Last reply 27 Feb 2021, 19:25
                  • H Horace
                    27 Feb 2021, 19:17

                    You should start hitting the bear spray aspect, jon. It's of greater rhetorical value, and probably closer to the truth.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:24 last edited by
                    #38

                    @horace said in Stroke?:

                    You should start hitting the bear spray aspect, jon. It's of greater rhetorical value, and probably closer to the truth.

                    Why? So some Trump apologist can indignantly demand an apology if they find out it was 'only' pepper spray?

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                    H 1 Reply Last reply 27 Feb 2021, 19:26
                    • L Loki
                      27 Feb 2021, 19:19

                      @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                      @george-k Right - like I said, I had seen reports that he didn't die from it, but none contradicting the testimony that he was hit. His mother says he wasn't hit on the head. But I don't know if the original testimony was specific as to where he was hit.

                      She saw him Jon. You going to discount a Mom’s account??? Maybe it nearly grazed him?

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:25 last edited by
                      #39

                      @loki No I'm taking it as gospel.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • J jon-nyc
                        27 Feb 2021, 19:24

                        @horace said in Stroke?:

                        You should start hitting the bear spray aspect, jon. It's of greater rhetorical value, and probably closer to the truth.

                        Why? So some Trump apologist can indignantly demand an apology if they find out it was 'only' pepper spray?

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:26 last edited by Horace
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                        @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                        @horace said in Stroke?:

                        You should start hitting the bear spray aspect, jon. It's of greater rhetorical value, and probably closer to the truth.

                        Why? So some Trump apologist can indignantly demand an apology if they find out it was 'only' pepper spray?

                        Because it's closer to the truth.

                        Btw "demanding an apology" from you is a funny concept.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:35 last edited by
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                          The CNN report was no blunt force trauma. Not just to the head, anywhere. Arms, chest, legs, no indication...

                          The Brad

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                          • L LuFins Dad
                            27 Feb 2021, 19:35

                            The CNN report was no blunt force trauma. Not just to the head, anywhere. Arms, chest, legs, no indication...

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:39 last edited by
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                            @lufins-dad said in Stroke?:

                            The CNN report was no blunt force trauma. Not just to the head, anywhere. Arms, chest, legs, no indication...

                            I suspect that at best he was grazed by a fire extinguisher. (How great does "fire extinguisher" sound? What a fantastic thing to be able to relate to really drive home the point about how violent the mob was.)

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:43 last edited by
                              #43

                              Probably was grazed with a selfie stick.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • J jon-nyc
                                27 Feb 2021, 19:43

                                Probably was grazed with a selfie stick.

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                                Horace
                                wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:45 last edited by
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                                @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                                Probably was grazed with a selfie stick.

                                I'm telling you, bear spray is probably closer to the truth. You'll even find doctors to say that such things can induce strokes. It'll have story telling value, please trust me. I want you to succeed. Trump isn't dead yet.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 19:54 last edited by
                                  #45

                                  But what if it turns out to be pepper spray? Then I’ll have to deal with triumphant posters here celebrating the crowd’s vindication.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • J jon-nyc
                                    27 Feb 2021, 19:54

                                    But what if it turns out to be pepper spray? Then I’ll have to deal with triumphant posters here celebrating the crowd’s vindication.

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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 20:00 last edited by
                                    #46

                                    @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                                    But what if it turns out to be pepper spray? Then I’ll have to deal with triumphant posters here celebrating the crowd’s vindication.

                                    Actually, bear spray is weaker than pepper spray and is legal in every state for self-defense whereas pepper spray is illegal in many places thanks to it's much higher concentration of capsicum. You would prefer to get sprayed with bear spray over pepper spray every day of the week...

                                    The Brad

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 20:18 last edited by jon-nyc
                                      #47

                                      See how risky this is Horace?

                                      What if it turns out that 100 police were injured and 15 hospitalized and no spray was used at all? Do you really think I could survive such pwnage?

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • J jon-nyc
                                        27 Feb 2021, 20:18

                                        See how risky this is Horace?

                                        What if it turns out that 100 police were injured and 15 hospitalized and no spray was used at all? Do you really think I could survive such pwnage?

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 20:22 last edited by Horace
                                        #48

                                        @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                                        See how risky this is Horace?

                                        What if it turns out that 100 police were injured and 15 hospitalized and no spray was used at all? Do you really think I could survive such pwnage?

                                        That would depend on the injuries to the police officers. 100 does seem like a lot. But 15:100 ratio, ok, I'll acknowledge that that does seem like a reasonable ratio between hospitalized and injured.

                                        Maybe we should concentrate on the 15 rather than the other 85. Oh, for the data, we all must yearn.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • J jon-nyc
                                          27 Feb 2021, 20:18

                                          See how risky this is Horace?

                                          What if it turns out that 100 police were injured and 15 hospitalized and no spray was used at all? Do you really think I could survive such pwnage?

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                                          Loki
                                          wrote on 27 Feb 2021, 20:32 last edited by Loki
                                          #49

                                          @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                                          See how risky this is Horace?

                                          What if it turns out that 100 police were injured and 15 hospitalized and no spray was used at all? Do you really think I could survive such pwnage?

                                          Well it’s an interesting reframe but the point I think is the media spread an untruth that everyone still believes and yet a month later the truth is hidden and still coming out. But was it simply a mistake, hell no, it was rhetorical gasoline and some of us know, that is the MO of the so called truth seekers.

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