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@george-k Right - like I said, I had seen reports that he didn't die from it, but none contradicting the testimony that he was hit. His mother says he wasn't hit on the head. But I don't know if the original testimony was specific as to where he was hit.
@george-k Right - like I said, I had seen reports that he didn't die from it, but none contradicting the testimony that he was hit. His mother says he wasn't hit on the head. But I don't know if the original testimony was specific as to where he was hit.
She saw him Jon. You going to discount a Mom’s account??? Maybe it nearly grazed him?
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You should start hitting the bear spray aspect, jon. It's of greater rhetorical value, and probably closer to the truth.
You should start hitting the bear spray aspect, jon. It's of greater rhetorical value, and probably closer to the truth.
Why? So some Trump apologist can indignantly demand an apology if they find out it was 'only' pepper spray?
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@george-k Right - like I said, I had seen reports that he didn't die from it, but none contradicting the testimony that he was hit. His mother says he wasn't hit on the head. But I don't know if the original testimony was specific as to where he was hit.
She saw him Jon. You going to discount a Mom’s account??? Maybe it nearly grazed him?
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You should start hitting the bear spray aspect, jon. It's of greater rhetorical value, and probably closer to the truth.
Why? So some Trump apologist can indignantly demand an apology if they find out it was 'only' pepper spray?
Because it's closer to the truth.
Btw "demanding an apology" from you is a funny concept.
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The CNN report was no blunt force trauma. Not just to the head, anywhere. Arms, chest, legs, no indication...
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The CNN report was no blunt force trauma. Not just to the head, anywhere. Arms, chest, legs, no indication...
@lufins-dad said in Stroke?:
The CNN report was no blunt force trauma. Not just to the head, anywhere. Arms, chest, legs, no indication...
I suspect that at best he was grazed by a fire extinguisher. (How great does "fire extinguisher" sound? What a fantastic thing to be able to relate to really drive home the point about how violent the mob was.)
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But what if it turns out to be pepper spray? Then I’ll have to deal with triumphant posters here celebrating the crowd’s vindication.
But what if it turns out to be pepper spray? Then I’ll have to deal with triumphant posters here celebrating the crowd’s vindication.
Actually, bear spray is weaker than pepper spray and is legal in every state for self-defense whereas pepper spray is illegal in many places thanks to it's much higher concentration of capsicum. You would prefer to get sprayed with bear spray over pepper spray every day of the week...
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See how risky this is Horace?
What if it turns out that 100 police were injured and 15 hospitalized and no spray was used at all? Do you really think I could survive such pwnage?
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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See how risky this is Horace?
What if it turns out that 100 police were injured and 15 hospitalized and no spray was used at all? Do you really think I could survive such pwnage?
See how risky this is Horace?
What if it turns out that 100 police were injured and 15 hospitalized and no spray was used at all? Do you really think I could survive such pwnage?
That would depend on the injuries to the police officers. 100 does seem like a lot. But 15:100 ratio, ok, I'll acknowledge that that does seem like a reasonable ratio between hospitalized and injured.
Maybe we should concentrate on the 15 rather than the other 85. Oh, for the data, we all must yearn.
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See how risky this is Horace?
What if it turns out that 100 police were injured and 15 hospitalized and no spray was used at all? Do you really think I could survive such pwnage?
See how risky this is Horace?
What if it turns out that 100 police were injured and 15 hospitalized and no spray was used at all? Do you really think I could survive such pwnage?
Well it’s an interesting reframe but the point I think is the media spread an untruth that everyone still believes and yet a month later the truth is hidden and still coming out. But was it simply a mistake, hell no, it was rhetorical gasoline and some of us know, that is the MO of the so called truth seekers.
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So you do not recognize a moral difference between bludgeoning a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher and spraying an officer with what is considered a non-lethal device used for self protection?
Please note that spraying a human being with bear spray IS illegal and you are subject to arrest.
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So you do not recognize a moral difference between bludgeoning a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher and spraying an officer with what is considered a non-lethal device used for self protection?
Please note that spraying a human being with bear spray IS illegal and you are subject to arrest.
@lufins-dad said in Stroke?:
So you do not recognize a moral difference between bludgeoning a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher and spraying an officer with what is considered a non-lethal device used for self protection?
Please note that spraying a human being with bear spray IS illegal and you are subject to arrest.
I actually don’t see much of a difference in the context of an insurrection. They are both nearly equally horrible. What’s worse to me is the lying about what actually happened because people know the reaction to blunt force trauma carries rhetorical weight. This is the group that calls themselves the vanguards of the truth, the paper of record if you will. It’s propaganda on the same level they accuse the partisans on the other side of.
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@lufins-dad said in Stroke?:
So you do not recognize a moral difference between bludgeoning a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher and spraying an officer with what is considered a non-lethal device used for self protection?
Please note that spraying a human being with bear spray IS illegal and you are subject to arrest.
I actually don’t see much of a difference in the context of an insurrection. They are both nearly equally horrible. What’s worse to me is the lying about what actually happened because people know the reaction to blunt force trauma carries rhetorical weight. This is the group that calls themselves the vanguards of the truth, the paper of record if you will. It’s propaganda on the same level they accuse the partisans on the other side of.
@lufins-dad said in Stroke?:
So you do not recognize a moral difference between bludgeoning a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher and spraying an officer with what is considered a non-lethal device used for self protection?
Please note that spraying a human being with bear spray IS illegal and you are subject to arrest.
I actually don’t see much of a difference in the context of an insurrection. They are both nearly equally horrible. What’s worse to me is the lying about what actually happened because people know the reaction to blunt force trauma carries rhetorical weight. This is the group that calls themselves the vanguards of the truth, the paper of record if you will. It’s propaganda on the same level they accuse the partisans on the other side of.
Well they're both ridiculous in the context of an "insurrection" against a government with the most powerful military in the history of the world. If you have 100 people armed with bear spray, or 100 people armed with fire extinguishers, neither of them have a hope to take over the government. So in fact there is no distinction between the two in terms of coups.
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@lufins-dad said in Stroke?:
So you do not recognize a moral difference between bludgeoning a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher and spraying an officer with what is considered a non-lethal device used for self protection?
Please note that spraying a human being with bear spray IS illegal and you are subject to arrest.
I actually don’t see much of a difference in the context of an insurrection. They are both nearly equally horrible. What’s worse to me is the lying about what actually happened because people know the reaction to blunt force trauma carries rhetorical weight. This is the group that calls themselves the vanguards of the truth, the paper of record if you will. It’s propaganda on the same level they accuse the partisans on the other side of.
Well they're both ridiculous in the context of an "insurrection" against a government with the most powerful military in the history of the world. If you have 100 people armed with bear spray, or 100 people armed with fire extinguishers, neither of them have a hope to take over the government. So in fact there is no distinction between the two in terms of coups.
@lufins-dad said in Stroke?:
So you do not recognize a moral difference between bludgeoning a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher and spraying an officer with what is considered a non-lethal device used for self protection?
Please note that spraying a human being with bear spray IS illegal and you are subject to arrest.
I actually don’t see much of a difference in the context of an insurrection. They are both nearly equally horrible. What’s worse to me is the lying about what actually happened because people know the reaction to blunt force trauma carries rhetorical weight. This is the group that calls themselves the vanguards of the truth, the paper of record if you will. It’s propaganda on the same level they accuse the partisans on the other side of.
Well they're both ridiculous in the context of an "insurrection" against a government with the most powerful military in the history of the world. If you have 100 people armed with bear spray, or 100 people armed with fire extinguishers, neither of them have a hope to take over the government. So in fact there is no distinction between the two in terms of coups.
I do get your point, however, I do see violation of sacred space as a threshold moment and I do believe we are extraordinarily lucky something much bigger didn’t happen. Literally anything can happen when a mob mentality starts and is driven only by and seeking out only the next spark.
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@lufins-dad said in Stroke?:
So you do not recognize a moral difference between bludgeoning a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher and spraying an officer with what is considered a non-lethal device used for self protection?
Please note that spraying a human being with bear spray IS illegal and you are subject to arrest.
I actually don’t see much of a difference in the context of an insurrection. They are both nearly equally horrible. What’s worse to me is the lying about what actually happened because people know the reaction to blunt force trauma carries rhetorical weight. This is the group that calls themselves the vanguards of the truth, the paper of record if you will. It’s propaganda on the same level they accuse the partisans on the other side of.
Well they're both ridiculous in the context of an "insurrection" against a government with the most powerful military in the history of the world. If you have 100 people armed with bear spray, or 100 people armed with fire extinguishers, neither of them have a hope to take over the government. So in fact there is no distinction between the two in terms of coups.
I do get your point, however, I do see violation of sacred space as a threshold moment and I do believe we are extraordinarily lucky something much bigger didn’t happen. Literally anything can happen when a mob mentality starts and is driven only by and seeking out only the next spark.
@lufins-dad said in Stroke?:
So you do not recognize a moral difference between bludgeoning a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher and spraying an officer with what is considered a non-lethal device used for self protection?
Please note that spraying a human being with bear spray IS illegal and you are subject to arrest.
I actually don’t see much of a difference in the context of an insurrection. They are both nearly equally horrible. What’s worse to me is the lying about what actually happened because people know the reaction to blunt force trauma carries rhetorical weight. This is the group that calls themselves the vanguards of the truth, the paper of record if you will. It’s propaganda on the same level they accuse the partisans on the other side of.
Well they're both ridiculous in the context of an "insurrection" against a government with the most powerful military in the history of the world. If you have 100 people armed with bear spray, or 100 people armed with fire extinguishers, neither of them have a hope to take over the government. So in fact there is no distinction between the two in terms of coups.
I do get your point, however, I do see violation of sacred space as a threshold moment and I do believe we are extraordinarily lucky something much bigger didn’t happen. Literally anything can happen when a mob mentality starts and is driven only by and seeking out only the next spark.
We should lock the Capitol doors next time.
