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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    I’m not sure ‘the blow from the fire hydrant wasn’t what actually killed him’ is quite as exculpatory as some of you seem to think.

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    @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

    I’m not sure ‘the blow from the fire hydrant wasn’t what actually killed him’ is quite as exculpatory as some of you seem to think.

    I'd say no blunt force trauma is pretty fucking exculpatory.
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/politics/brian-sicknick-charges/index.html

    The Brad

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      I watched the video that showed the extinguisher hit the policemen.

      What I saw wasn't enough to injure a healthy adult man.

      It wasn't quite a glancing blow, more of a touch.

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        https://www.theepochtimes.com/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknicks-mother-he-wasnt-hit-on-the-head-by-trump-supporter_3707914.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-02-23-2

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        Investigators have determined any fire extinguisher episode is not relevant to his death . They said it is not true.

        Now they are looking at bear spray. I heard it might not even be him who was hit.

        How’s that for corroborated reporting at the time?

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          Bear Spray:

          In a significant breakthrough in the case, investigators have now pinpointed a person seen on video of the riot who attacked several officers with bear spray, including Officer Sicknick, according to the officials. And video evidence shows that the assailant discussed attacking officers with the bear spray beforehand, one of the officials said.

          While investigators narrowed potential suspects seen in video footage to a single person this week, they have yet to identify the assailant by name.
          A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment.

          Irritants like bear spray, pepper spray and mace are considered to be nonlethal crowd control deterrents, but they can cause physical reactions that could create risks for people with underlying health conditions and disorientation that could lead to injury.

          On Jan. 7, when Officer Sicknick died, the Capitol Police issued a statement that said he “was injured while physically engaging with protesters,” and then “returned to his division office and collapsed.” He succumbed to his injuries at the hospital.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_spray

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            I wonder what 'pinpointed' means exactly? They have his identity?

            Seems like if they knew his whereabouts he'd already be in custody.

            I wonder if he's in hiding.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              From the CNN story:

              In a statement late Friday, the US Capitol Police noted that the medical examiner's report on Sicknick's death wasn't finished yet: "We are awaiting toxicology results and continue to work with other government agencies regarding the death investigation."

              Probably trying to figure out if they can pin him for murdering a police officer or just assaulting one (or several).

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                From that same CNN piece:

                More than 100 other police officers were injured in the melee last month, including at least 15 who required hospitalization, according to court documents.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  From that same CNN piece:

                  More than 100 other police officers were injured in the melee last month, including at least 15 who required hospitalization, according to court documents.

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                  @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                  From that same CNN piece:

                  More than 100 other police officers were injured in the melee last month, including at least 15 who required hospitalization, according to court documents.

                  Just to clarify, as of yesterday did you think he was hit with a fire extinguisher?

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                    I haven't seen anything contradicting the testimony, have you?

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      I haven't seen anything contradicting the testimony, have you?

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                      @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                      I haven't seen anything contradicting the testimony, have you?

                      Absolutely. Investigators have discounted and moved on to other theories. I will admit I didn’t know either.

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                        @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                        I haven't seen anything contradicting the testimony, have you?

                        Absolutely. Investigators have discounted and moved on to other theories. I will admit I didn’t know either.

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                        #30

                        I've only read that he wasn't killed by blunt force trauma. I've not seen any source contradicting the testimony that he was hit.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          See the video here - look for the extinguisher at 0:20

                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/video-shows-rioter-throw-fire-extinguisher-at-police-during-capitol-attack/2021/01/14/1e75a543-7c61-43f2-a710-37edde925c0f_video.html

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                            See the video here - look for the extinguisher at 0:20

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/video-shows-rioter-throw-fire-extinguisher-at-police-during-capitol-attack/2021/01/14/1e75a543-7c61-43f2-a710-37edde925c0f_video.html

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                            I wonder how many of those vermin assaulting the cops posted blue lives matter memes on social media last summer.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              I've only read that he wasn't killed by blunt force trauma. I've not seen any source contradicting the testimony that he was hit.

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                              @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                              I've only read that he wasn't killed by blunt force trauma. I've not seen any source contradicting the testimony that he was hit.

                              Quote from his Mom:

                              She said, ‘He wasn’t hit on the head no. We think he had a stroke, but we don’t know anything for sure.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                I haven't seen anything contradicting the testimony, have you?

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                                @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                                I haven't seen anything contradicting the testimony, have you?

                                From the article I cited:

                                In the hours after Officer Sicknick was rushed to the hospital, officials initially said that he had been struck with a fire extinguisher. They later said that there was no evidence to support that he had died from any blunt force trauma. More recently, F.B.I. officials homed in on the potential role of an irritant as a primary factor in his death.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                                  I haven't seen anything contradicting the testimony, have you?

                                  From the article I cited:

                                  In the hours after Officer Sicknick was rushed to the hospital, officials initially said that he had been struck with a fire extinguisher. They later said that there was no evidence to support that he had died from any blunt force trauma. More recently, F.B.I. officials homed in on the potential role of an irritant as a primary factor in his death.

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                                  @george-k Right - like I said, I had seen reports that he didn't die from it, but none contradicting the testimony that he was hit. His mother says he wasn't hit on the head. But I don't know if the original testimony was specific as to where he was hit.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    You should start hitting the bear spray aspect, jon. It's of greater rhetorical value, and probably closer to the truth.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      @george-k Right - like I said, I had seen reports that he didn't die from it, but none contradicting the testimony that he was hit. His mother says he wasn't hit on the head. But I don't know if the original testimony was specific as to where he was hit.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                                      @george-k Right - like I said, I had seen reports that he didn't die from it, but none contradicting the testimony that he was hit. His mother says he wasn't hit on the head. But I don't know if the original testimony was specific as to where he was hit.

                                      She saw him Jon. You going to discount a Mom’s account??? Maybe it nearly grazed him?

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                                        You should start hitting the bear spray aspect, jon. It's of greater rhetorical value, and probably closer to the truth.

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                                        @horace said in Stroke?:

                                        You should start hitting the bear spray aspect, jon. It's of greater rhetorical value, and probably closer to the truth.

                                        Why? So some Trump apologist can indignantly demand an apology if they find out it was 'only' pepper spray?

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Stroke?:

                                          @george-k Right - like I said, I had seen reports that he didn't die from it, but none contradicting the testimony that he was hit. His mother says he wasn't hit on the head. But I don't know if the original testimony was specific as to where he was hit.

                                          She saw him Jon. You going to discount a Mom’s account??? Maybe it nearly grazed him?

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          @loki No I'm taking it as gospel.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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