Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?
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@jon-nyc said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
It must suck to feel the need to circle the wagons with these clowns.
As far as I can tell, no one is circling wagons with these doofuses. Simply pointing out that the outrage over these events on Federal property are being given much more attention than similar events in Portland, when the Speaker of the House referred to the National Guard as "Stormtroopers."
And now, there are thousands of "stormtroopers" in Washington DC, and she is silent. A month later, they're still there.
And the media was silent, as was the Vice President, who actually encouraged more violence last summer. I was in Chicago and the suburbs as they burned in August during the "mostly peaceful" protests. I have several friends who were in fear for their lives, homes and businesses last summer.
Yeah, 5 people died around the time of the January 6th riot. How many died last summer? How many rapes occurred?
Or are deaths more tragic based on the context of the nature of the protest and the location at which they occurred?
I'm not justifying, by any means, what happened on Jan 6th. I'm pointing out the silence, the call to violence by the to-be Vice President of the United States, as well as countless other so-called "leaders" of our country.
The whole lot disgust me.
This is not wagon-circling. This is a GKSR that hasn't even been defined yet.
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@george-k said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
Who shot her?
What was the justification?
Why has the name of the shooter not been released?Who shot her? Someone in law enforcement while in the line of duty. But we knew that already.
What was the justification? She was a part of an unlawful mob that was rampaging through the Capitol Bldg vandalizing property and, apparently, threatening the Vice President and other elected officials. Whether she was armed or not is irrelevant.
Name of the shooter? Can't tell you. But if it was a Secret Service agent who fired the shot, we do not have a need to know, now do we?
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@renauda said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
Who shot her? Someone in law enforcement while in the line of duty. But we knew that already.
What was the justification?There are very high standards for a LEO shooting someone. Watch the video, and explain the imminent threat to life that this unnamed officer experienced. "In the line of duty" is a wide brush. By that standard, a cop who stops a DUI is entitled to shoot.
apparently, threatening the Vice President and other elected officials.
Did the mob do that? Perhaps. Did SHE? You'll have to prove it. Good luck.
vandalizing property
The statues of Andrew Jackson, Jefferson Davis, and the courthouse in Portland would weep, if they could.
Whether she was armed or not is irrelevant.
No. It is precisely relevant. If she is unarmed, she poses no immediate threat to the officer who shot her. That's the standard in the US. The Canadian standard might be different, and I'd love to learn of what is a justified shooting by Canadian police.
Name of the shooter? Can't tell you.
Yup. And yet, the names of all the police officers who encountered and killed ARMED protestors are all over the media. Why is that?
That's another rhetorical question.
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The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@89th said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
Zero deaths. Exploding during night hours. I’d say the January 6th attack, invasion, insurrection...much worse. Plus a few deaths, too.
You have fucking got to be kidding me.
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@renauda said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
@george-k said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
Who shot her?
What was the justification?
Why has the name of the shooter not been released?Who shot her? Someone in law enforcement while in the line of duty. But we knew that already.
What was the justification? She was a part of an unlawful mob that was rampaging through the Capitol Bldg vandalizing property and, apparently, threatening the Vice President and other elected officials. Whether she was armed or not is irrelevant.
Name of the shooter? Can't tell you. But if it was a Secret Service agent who fired the shot, we do not have a need to know, now do we?
I was with you until the anonymous shooter part.
You can't kill an American citizen even in a line of duty legal shooting and remain anonymous.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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If you name Secret Service agents, then it's not a very secret service, is it?
To be honest, I'm surprised more of these knobheads weren't killed. The idea that you can go rampaging through government buildings acting like a total cock seemed to be fairly commonplace among them. In a number of countries, there'd have been considerably more use of government weaponry to combat these cretins.
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Honestly the attempts to minimize and resort to whattaboutism are ultimately a type of wagon circling or weak defense.
It’s pretty liberating to just be able to criticize these guys the way they deserve without any “buts” or “it just thats” added on.
Think back to people ‘contextualizing’ 9/11 or comparing it to this or that US led attack from history.
“I fully condemn the attacks on the trade center, but whattabout Iran in 1956...”.
“I don’t support the attacks on NY and the Pentagon, it’s just that...”
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IRA apologists occasionally used to talk about the atrocities committed by Oliver Cromwell (1599-1658)
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@george-k said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
Whether she was armed or not is irrelevant.
No. It is precisely relevant. If she is unarmed, she poses no immediate threat to the officer who shot her. That's the standard in the US. The Canadian standard might be different, and I'd love to learn of what is a justified shooting by Canadian police.
To be honest I do not know what the standard is here. I can ask though, a very close friend of mine is retired from the Calgary Police Force and served on the tactical unit and riot squad for several years.
I do know however, that people personnel on what we call the Integrated Intelligence Unit which is made up of select RCMP, municipal police, Military and CSIS would remain anonymous in the event they were ever engaged in a similar fracas and shooting that occurred in the Capitol that day.
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@jolly said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
@renauda said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
@george-k said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
Who shot her?
What was the justification?
Why has the name of the shooter not been released?Who shot her? Someone in law enforcement while in the line of duty. But we knew that already.
What was the justification? She was a part of an unlawful mob that was rampaging through the Capitol Bldg vandalizing property and, apparently, threatening the Vice President and other elected officials. Whether she was armed or not is irrelevant.
Name of the shooter? Can't tell you. But if it was a Secret Service agent who fired the shot, we do not have a need to know, now do we?
I was with you until the anonymous shooter part.
You can't kill an American citizen even in a line of duty legal shooting and remain anonymous.
so do you have need to know? And if so what is it?
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@jon-nyc said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
Honestly the attempts to minimize and resort to whattaboutism are ultimately a type of wagon circling or weak defense.
https://www.idiomsandslang.com/circle-the-wagons/
No one here is defending these asshats.
No one.
What I am doing is criticizing all those who defended (no one here, afaik) or at least ignored the violence that killed more people and destroyed more property, governmental and public, than occurred on Jan 6.
And killed people.
By targeted acts.
Your effort at painting me as a defender of these clowns is misguided at best, and dishonest at worst.
Remember "Occupy Wall Street?" I remember you coming out against that group of idiots. But, they didn't burn police stations, churches and private businesses. They set up stupid drum circles and were annoying at best. This summer, driving through my suburbs, I didn't see drum circles. I saw boarded-up liquor stores and other businesses.
And yet, those asshats were encouraged by our betters in the media and government. VP Harris: "They SHOULD continue."
So, yeah, it's whataboutism.
Whataboutism is all about calling out hypocrisy. And I fail to see that calling-out occur by the likes of Harris, Biden, and Jerry "It's just an idea" Nadler.
So spare me the outrage.
Whatever capital was supposedly earned on January 6th was rendered non-negotiable during the summer.
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@renauda said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
@jolly said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
@renauda said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
@george-k said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
Who shot her?
What was the justification?
Why has the name of the shooter not been released?Who shot her? Someone in law enforcement while in the line of duty. But we knew that already.
What was the justification? She was a part of an unlawful mob that was rampaging through the Capitol Bldg vandalizing property and, apparently, threatening the Vice President and other elected officials. Whether she was armed or not is irrelevant.
Name of the shooter? Can't tell you. But if it was a Secret Service agent who fired the shot, we do not have a need to know, now do we?
I was with you until the anonymous shooter part.
You can't kill an American citizen even in a line of duty legal shooting and remain anonymous.
so do you have need to know? And if so what is it?
Yes, I have a need to know, as does the general public. Just because you are Secret Service (and we really don't know) does not mean you can discharge your weapon without an investigation.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@jon-nyc said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
Honestly the attempts to minimize and resort to whattaboutism are ultimately a type of wagon circling or weak defense.
It’s pretty liberating to just be able to criticize these guys the way they deserve without any “buts” or “it just thats” added on.
Think back to people ‘contextualizing’ 9/11 or comparing it to this or that US led attack from history.
“I fully condemn the attacks on the trade center, but whattabout Iran in 1956...”.
“I don’t support the attacks on NY and the Pentagon, it’s just that...”
Oh I agree it was next level. But I also think the level below needs harsh treatment. Toleration is not good. Broken windows and all that.
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The insurrection can't be minimized enough
The idea that these clowns planned to take over anything or had any chance of taking over anything is pure doofusery
Really
I guess some of the arguments are cute in a sadly political way, but I think we can all agree the insurrection never really existed
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What insurrection?
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@jon-nyc said in Worst attack on the Capital since 1812?:
Honestly the attempts to minimize and resort to whattaboutism are ultimately a type of wagon circling or weak defense.
It’s pretty liberating to just be able to criticize these guys the way they deserve without any “buts” or “it just thats” added on.
So, do you believe the rejection of the "coup" or "insurrection" rhetoric is a weak defense or disingenuous wagon circling?
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While it is sometimes okay to look at past incidents for guidance, there is also a strong reason not to do so, and treat each individual incident as a "stand alone" incident.
Does the action of the people on January 6 be excused because of what happened in another city or in another time?
Absolutely not.
But, it does seem like some try to justify the people on January 6 by saying "well, this happened in city X or Y, or this happened here many years ago and nothing was done about them."
Example
My friend stole a pair of clothes from the store in another state. He was caught and had to apologize but was let go.I stole a pair of clothes and got caught and got to jail.
Does it matter that I talk about my friend in another state to justify my crime? No.
