Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports
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A bigger question... Why does Biden think he has that authority over private leagues, the NCAA, and state level school athletics...None of this falls into the domain of the Executive Office of the United States...
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@aqua-letifer said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@89th said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@horace said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@aqua-letifer said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
In fairness to President Biden, what is the best solution? Where do you draw the line?
Why is the biological sex at birth not the obvious best solution?
It really has to be. The whole WHOLE point of having separate sports is because of the physical differences between the biological sexes.
Then where do transgender people fit in? Denying the category is not going to get anyone anywhere; it's a non-option. Some rule's got to be made.
Where do they fit?
Competing as the gender they were born. This problem ain't rocket surgery.
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@aqua-letifer said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@89th said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@horace said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@aqua-letifer said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
In fairness to President Biden, what is the best solution? Where do you draw the line?
Why is the biological sex at birth not the obvious best solution?
It really has to be. The whole WHOLE point of having separate sports is because of the physical differences between the biological sexes.
Then where do transgender people fit in? Denying the category is not going to get anyone anywhere; it's a non-option. Some rule's got to be made.
There's really only two choices that make sense - either you insist on using the sex at birth, or you create new categories for transgender people. Unfortunately, neither of these options is going to be popular with some transgender people. On the other hand, transgender people insisting on being allowed to compete with other athletes of their declared gender is just going to increase anti-trans feelings amongst the rest of the population, and will ruin a number of sports.
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@moonbat said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@aqua-letifer said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
In fairness to President Biden, what is the best solution? Where do you draw the line?
Exposure to testosterone during muscular and nervous system development.
They partition boxers by weight due to intrinsic performance advantages of different weight classes.
Development of musculature in the presence/absence of testosterone creates an expected performance difference across many sporting activities so it is plausible to similarly split competitors by this criteria. Current male/female division is a proxy for this.
I've seen gals compete in weight lifting who were on the juice. They do very well against females who aren't taking anything.
But they could not compete against males of the same weight.
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Again, he’s not the bloody king. How does he have this authority?
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@lufins-dad said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
Again, he’s not the bloody king. How does he have this authority?
He’s implementing statutes following the Supreme Court’s interpretation: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/17-1618_hfci.pdf
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@jolly said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@moonbat said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@aqua-letifer said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
In fairness to President Biden, what is the best solution? Where do you draw the line?
Exposure to testosterone during muscular and nervous system development.
They partition boxers by weight due to intrinsic performance advantages of different weight classes.
Development of musculature in the presence/absence of testosterone creates an expected performance difference across many sporting activities so it is plausible to similarly split competitors by this criteria. Current male/female division is a proxy for this.
I've seen gals compete in weight lifting who were on the juice. They do very well against females who aren't taking anything.
But they could not compete against males of the same weight.
Indeed, because the developmental period is key.
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@moonbat said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@jolly said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@moonbat said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@aqua-letifer said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
In fairness to President Biden, what is the best solution? Where do you draw the line?
Exposure to testosterone during muscular and nervous system development.
They partition boxers by weight due to intrinsic performance advantages of different weight classes.
Development of musculature in the presence/absence of testosterone creates an expected performance difference across many sporting activities so it is plausible to similarly split competitors by this criteria. Current male/female division is a proxy for this.
I've seen gals compete in weight lifting who were on the juice. They do very well against females who aren't taking anything.
But they could not compete against males of the same weight.
Indeed, because the developmental period is key.
At the point you're talking about, the decision would be made by the parental units, not the child.
I think they call that child abuse.
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I don't think we're understanding each other.
I'm suggesting that since the performance differences are largely determined by whether someone was exposed to testosterone at a young age therefore it makes sense to use this as the criteria dividing competitive sports. This is pretty similar to your view of using sex at birth though the criteria might vary for intersex individuals.
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@lufins-dad said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
Again, he’s not the bloody king. How does he have this authority?
I completely agree and this was my first thought too.
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@lufins-dad said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
A bigger question... Why does Biden think he has that authority over private leagues, the NCAA, and state level school athletics...None of this falls into the domain of the Executive Office of the United States...
THe Civil Rights Act has the authority. WHat's going on here is a reinterpretation of 'gender discrimination' based on what the (conservative!) court did with Bostock. Do remember the author of that decision was Neil Gorsuch.
Biden's order simply tells agencies to update any relevant regs with the Bostock interpretation in mind. The full text is on the WH site.
I'm not sure what effect this EO will have in practice, given Bostock is already law of the land.
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@moonbat said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@jolly said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@moonbat said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@aqua-letifer said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
In fairness to President Biden, what is the best solution? Where do you draw the line?
Exposure to testosterone during muscular and nervous system development.
They partition boxers by weight due to intrinsic performance advantages of different weight classes.
Development of musculature in the presence/absence of testosterone creates an expected performance difference across many sporting activities so it is plausible to similarly split competitors by this criteria. Current male/female division is a proxy for this.
I've seen gals compete in weight lifting who were on the juice. They do very well against females who aren't taking anything.
But they could not compete against males of the same weight.
Indeed, because the developmental period is key.
But can you determine reliably what happened during childhood?
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
That claim that the Democratic Party does recognize genders is just wrong. The Democratic Party recognizes genders just fine, it just so happens that they also generally support letting you assign your own gender and willing to accept the fact that there are more them two genders and the gender assignments can change throughout one person’s life time.
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@axtremus said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@george-k said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports
That claim that the Democratic Party does recognize genders is just wrong. The Democratic Party recognizes genders just fine, it just so happens that they also generally support letting you assign your own gender and willing to accept the fact that there are more them two genders and the gender assignments can change throughout one person’s life time.
The problem is that the party is willing to ignore the fact that men and women are very different.
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@copper said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@axtremus said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports:
@george-k said in Biden: Biological males can compete in female sports
That claim that the Democratic Party does recognize genders is just wrong. The Democratic Party recognizes genders just fine, it just so happens that they also generally support letting you assign your own gender and willing to accept the fact that there are more them two genders and the gender assignments can change throughout one person’s life time.
The problem is that the party is willing to ignore the fact that men and women are very different.
The Democratic Party is better than the Republican Party at expunging from public policies the differences that do not matter.
